Miami-Dade Fire Rescue and law enforcement rushing toward the area of the Clipper at Biscayne Cove Condominun, where Cesar Sayoc’s mother, Madeline Giardiello reportedly lives.

His mother will be a target ...

Men find women attractive. Women find men attractive. Some women find women attractive and some men find men attractive. Without this we'd have died out long ago even if some of us have our wires crossed.

The pic looks good not bad

Cat, i may find my neighbor 's wife look attractive. I may find eating all the donuts in the donut shop attractive. This is not the basis of any morality, positive or negative. I fail to see the logic in this.

So, @JustTom , are you satisfied with where we landed on hate groups?

hm? sorry, I wasn't keeping up on recent conversation here, I got sidetracked by RL stuff

My point, @TraderPropShop , is that a guy shouldn't lose his job for expressing that a woman looks attractive.

I stopped paying attention after everyone seemed to move past the last few things I said and got into talking about China

Last thing I heard about the hate group talk I was a part of was a universal agreement that "Antifa" are bigger fascists than the Nazis were, so when no one disagreed with that statement, I thought that was the end of it.

No, all is fair. What I dislike most about the LGBT community, is that they feel they are above any critique, forcing people to have their morality. You do what you want, but all this homophobia talk is pure manipulation.

So, Tom, for right wing violence I put up for consideration the Christian Identity movement. Do i hold all fundamentalist Christians accountable for their antics, absolutely not. Just as I don't hold all those who protest police abuse of power accountable for acts of violence on the far left.

There are certainly those who protest police overreach without resorting to violence and destruction of property.

...Don't *see* them much these days, but I understand intellectually they are out there.

And Trader, I have been ridiculed for my existence so I have experience homophobia first hand. I have no issues with people not liking my existence, but to deny my right to exist as i see fit is certainly not the actions of those who claim to support individual liberty.

The quiet ones don't get much press

The quiet ones would rather NOT have press

Interesting. I wouldn't consider christian identity movement as mainstream as Antifa was in relative terms, but ... that may be more a personal perspective on it. I'm willing to give that fault that yes, they are as mainstream as Antifa is.

Although before I further any statements, I'm going to need more information on them.

Were they really as mainstream to the right as Antifa was to the left?
And if they were, were they as violent and riotous as Antifa has been?

if they meet those two requirements, then you've genuinely got a group to match my challenge and I fully salute your dilligence.

We have all been ridiculed for existence. Chill ...

What do you mean, you have a right to exist as you see fit?

I think the majority of the judges on European Court on Human Rights are woke.
Styx reports they jail folks for islamophobia, <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs5SyBldAcA>
But they forced Norway, a non EU country, to return Anders Bering Breivik’s playstation and restore his internet access in jail.

Im fine with people disliking me for merely existing

Its their right to do so

I'd rather people not deny my right to marry, though

By all means, go ahead and marry

Rejecting the existence of my family stung

People can not like me. I'm fine with that.

But let me live my life, please. Let my kids grow up, please.

Tom, Christian Identity has never had much support outside the fringe. But then again, violence on the left is rejected by the center as well.

But Christian Identity did give us the second worse terrorist attack on US soil after 9/11.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Republican_Army

@DrYuriMom Yeah, looks like from the information I've quickly gathered on that group, they fit the bill in some ways. Although it looks like they've never been as mainstream accepted as Antifa, and they are a group that modern times has quickly left behind, generally references to them occuring starting as early as the 1920s and 30s, but largely being dropped off the map entirely by the 90s. Which makes them more akin to a long standing hate group that never gained mainstream traction, and rather was a fringe hate group.

I would agree with that assessment

Good good. As I said, I am doing research on the fly here.

We still have people like the Westboro Baptist Church

So if I say anything wrong, please do correct me.

But while a lot of people want to pummel them, only their words are violent

No, but seriously, I've heard the "right to exist" thing several times now, and I honestly don't know what that line means. My brain wants to say that means they want you to die, but I know that's not what they're saying.

Yeah, that's really what Westboro comes down to. They're absolutely NOT mainstream. Most people hate them.

Vast majority.

I've been told it would be better for the country if me and everyone like me were to die