@IT's only worng when it's being used in a way I don;t liike.@

Even without affirmative action
Is this person doing well in school?
Do they have money?
Can they get here?

No, lol, you just don't seem to know what Affirmative Action actually is

Or why people are opposed to it

I didn't argue that it is worng or right, where it helps or not.

All admission is discrimination. Affirmative action is not merely discrimination

If you cannot accept this then there's no point in discussing further because it's the entire basis of the concept

As a person from Cali my vote to decide who runs my country is not worth the same as someone from the state over. Just like as an asian my score on a test is not weighed the same when it come to getting in to collage.

Do you accept the premise or not?

The Senate and the Electoral College are not affirmative action

@Beemann I know what AA is, I know why it is used. I'm not arguing if it is a good thing or not. I'm say that a repetitive democracy and the electoral collage work on thsame lines as

AA

But I must say I am highly amused by the multiple references above to the "tranny of the majority" :p

Best word choice error ever

Electoral college works as an equalizer for the states.
In your proposed system, CA & NY following your reasoning, would get affirmative action as in they will vote for their interests and by sheer fact of population concentration end up dictating politics to the entire country.
In effect, their voting power will nullify whatever the rest of the country votes for.

Also poppy, almost every western country works with a representative democracy.
Switzerland being one of the very few outliers.

``` CA & NY following your reasoning, would get affirmative action```
Nope. I'm not talking about staes. I'm talking about ppl being worth the same. This is where you lot are getting confused.

You are all one country.

^that is where you are not understanding the topic at hand

no its a federal state poppy

Why is one persons vote worth more?

goddamnit

a federal state =/= as a monarchy country for example

The only relevance I see with the consistency of democrat wins in the overall popular vote is that it serves as a reminder that the legitimacy of our government derives from the people

If those voters' will is confounded consistently we risk entering a crisis of confidence in the system

Try and imagin your country was a school and who gets in is not based on their score but their score plus bonus points for being from a perticula place.

>try to imagine your federal union of states wasn't a federal union of states

This is genuinely dumb

AA does not just have to be applied to race.

No, but it has to be applied to an arbitrary characteristic to serve a quota, separate from the purpose of the system. That's not what the electoral college is

And asserting that you know how the system works while proving you dont doesn't help

```separate from the purpose of the system.```
So do you agree that some ppl should be given more of a chace?

I have no issue with the way the Senate and Electoral College is designed. I'm more concerned about gerrymandering. The House is the arm of government the founders specifically made to represent the will of the people. To ensure government didn't lose legitimacy in the eye of the majority. We risk losing that legitimacy when the House strays too far from that.

I'm not agueing that.

You have 100 pll here and 100 ppl there but they are counted as 150. How is thta not AA?

Anyway, thank you Poppy for giving me a good morning laugh. I'll be smiling about the tranny of the majority all day. :-)

Glad I could help.

Poppy, the US originated as sovereign states banding together in a federation.

We've explained this

Multiple times

Okay