On the subject of Ukraine, the US under Bush II is a signatory to the Budapest Memorandum that paved the way for Ukraine to give up thier nukes in return for Western promises to guarantee thier territorial integrity. The lesson for any weak nations now is get nukes and never give then up.

that manafort assange thing, wouldn't surprise me if the source is someone on meullers team to try and create a piece of evidence to prove the assertion that manafort is lying

The Budapest Memorandum was never made a treaty. It's just a now broken promise.

Yeah, the Ukraine made a big mistake. Never trust another country to defend you. Not trying to excuse our part, but that’s the truth.

The FBI has a leak culture, so that’s possible @A Haunted Army

yeah, but i was more thinking how steele did that with his dossier to try and give it more validity and those news articles apparently helped with obtaining visa warrents

er not visa i think? the thing that lets them spy on american citizens

i just find it odd how atm we get news of mueller's team saying manafor has lied to investigators, then we get this manafort meating assange stuff

with politics i don't beleive on coicidences

FISA warrants. Foreign Intelligence surveillance. It’s not meant to spy on American citizens specifically. They can target them under specific circumstances. For example in this case Stephen Halper, a former CIA spy turned intelligence mercenary lured Gates and Papadopulos out of the country to trap them. Because these conversations happened in another country they could get the FISA warrants. Which are almost always approved. @A Haunted Army

I guess we’ll see if they’re related.

The Ambassador that talked to Papadopoulos was also connected to MI6. And another private intelligence group

well thats what i meant, the warrant lets them target citizens for spying based on specific, supposedly strict criteria and has to be renewed every few months.

and yeah i've seen the stuff about papdopulos effectively being entrapment

it sounds like they fed him some info then used him discussing it to spy on him

i have no idea on how true that is though, information seems rather sparse with no investigations really done into it outside of /pol/

The university professor that offered Papadopulos the dirt on Hillary has also worked with MI6. Which is interesting.

i thought he was a known cia spook?

Joseph Mifsud definitely has connections, but he never worked directly in the CIA or MI6 as far as I know. @A Haunted Army

Stephen Halper definitely did. So did Steele.

Alexander Downer, the Ambassador who reported Papadopulos served on the board of directors for a private intelligence company filled with former MI6. He supposedly has connections to Steele and Halper

@A Haunted Army here’s a good article on that subject
https://themarketswork.com/2018/05/09/dearlove-connections-uk-intel-firm-hakluyt-alexander-downer-stefan-halper-papadopoulos/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ktla.com/2018/11/27/stephen-hillenburg-creator-of-spongebob-squarepants-has-died-at-57/amp/

@DrYuriMom <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances>
>5 December 1994

So gib Ukraine nuke

The violation of the memorandum took place in 2014, under Obama. Had Obama acted decisively, the annexation of Crimea could've been avoided.

Analogous to the reoccupation of the Rhineland.

And it started under Clinton

Had Great Britain or France acted decisively, the standing order was for immediate retreat.

"On 24 March 2014, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper led the rest of the G7 partners at an ad-hoc meeting during the Nuclear Security Summit in The Hague to suspend Russian membership, partially, said Harper, because Russia had violated the Budapest Memorandum. He said that Ukraine had given up its nuclear weapons "on the basis of an explicit Russian guarantee of its territorial integrity. By breaching that guarantee, President Putin has provided a rationale for those elsewhere who needed little more than that already furnished by pride or grievance to arm themselves to the teeth." Harper also indicated support for Ukraine by saying he would work with the new Ukrainian government towards a free trade agreement.[26] Harper was subsequently defeated in the federal election of October 15,2015, and resigned as leader of the Conservative Party."
Ayy

If Obama airlifted an Armored Brigade Combat Team to Poland under the pretext of an exercise, then perhaps that would've been sufficient.

@Beemann but Justin is soooo dreamyy~~~

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Harper was just on Ben Shapiro actually @Beemann

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVNw03gyLmk

Neat. He's a bit of a dork and a little too neocon but every so often I come across a solid decision

And at least he didn't tax small business to death

He did muzzle his scientists tho

and that's annoying

https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/1067498129384124416

The first reply to this tweet is "Trump will cede Ukraine to his pal, Putin"
This is exactly how the left intends to pressure Trump into intervention.

Basically "If you don't start a war with Russia you're Putin's bitch"

Absolute insanity.