“ Trump allies fume at McCain memorial address, urge counter attack” by Lorraine Woellert on Politico

Politico article using McCain’s funeral to attack Trump, also spreads fake news. It claims that “ McCain played a key role in passing along a dossier to the FBI ...” . This is deceptive. McCain did get the dossier from Steele and give it to the FBI in Jan 2017 but Bruce Ohr started working with Steele in July 2016 and quickly introduced him to the FBI. By the time McCain got the dossier to the FBI , it had already been used in FISA submissions multiple times. This is an attempt to heighten the credibility of the dossier by associating it with someone the media has been pushing as a hero after his death.

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I'm glad trump is staying quiet.

He doesn't have to speak ill of him, it serves no purpose.

Definitely.

let us do the talking for him

FUCK MCCAINb

hes in hell right now

fucking warmonger piece of shit

😐

Naw. He’s bombing the pearly gates with napalm.

McCain is better forgotten.

The only reason the left is fawning over him is because he was a repeated traitor to his conservative base.

It's like 'lovebombing'

Yeah heaping praise on McCain is a tactic for the left to attempt to peel away NeverTrumpers ahead of the mid-terms.

I love McCain because he hates Drumpf #resist (even though he voted for a war that murdered 500,000 innocent civilians (mostly muslims))

The guy was also a complete failure as a presidential candidate. I don't know how many NeverTrumpers are going to be legitimately nostalgic for a guy who was consistently praising his opponent Obama while simultaneously appearing like a doddering old fool.

the rhetoric that i should hate him as a person because i may not agree with his views is meh to me, but in his case i think its hard for me to get emotionally opposed to him since my grandfather seems kind of similar, yet i knew he was a great dude

i'd admit to being undecided about military intervention. i don't like it but grown up hearing why it *can be* just from people close to me

I think McCain did great things and all this sudden hate is really unjustified and appalling.

I also will agree the strange media obsession with him is a very special form of concern trolling.

Sure, a great politician, but a terrible republican

What great things did he do?

He was a PoW during the Vietnam war.

Well know why he was called songbird?

Even if they did call him that, it's not exactly fair to use as a insult. Torture works.

I mean, the man only had one limb that wasn't broken when they took him to the Hilton, and they refused him treatment for several days, until they set two of them without anesthesia

I wonder if we will see a McCain dossier, about what he has done wrong and how he instigated Wars and why.

My guess would be that that might eventually happen. Though it surves no purpose as he's dead

Torture works in the sense that it provides bad intel, and McCain spoke out against it.

@possumsquat93 Torture only produces bad intel if the person you are getting it from doesn't know anything.

>the trump balloons in that politico article
Is the left just a miserable little pile of forced memes?

You don't know if the person does or doesn't know what you want to find from them, so torture is still shit m8

Yes you do. If you get the same info from multiple people you can be pretty certain they are not lying. Second, it also depends on what you are told.
If someone knows something, they are going to tell you. It doesn't matter if they lie a hundred times, eventually they will talk.

>same info from multiple people
"Major well known group was behind major well known attack" isn't a hard sell
And again, if you torture someone a hundred times and they *lie* in a different way this is indistinguishable from torturing someone a hundred times and then having them tell the truth

Plus you're also assuming that you have multiple sources for this intel, when that often isn't the case

Remember when the US started a war with Iraq based on like 2 sketchy ass sources?

It's a violation of U.S. law and the Geneva Conventions.

law is ethically irrelevant, it is also practically irrelevant when it isn't enforced

Irrelevant in the case of unjust law?

Not sure what you mean.

If we don't want our own soldiers subjected to that kind of treatment, we shouldn't be okay with doing it to our enemies.

And well, alot of the people who are against torture from my view mainly disagreed with it because it was unreliable. Since Mattis sees it as unreliable I think theres something there.