Those feminist drove out Erin Pizzey, the founder of the world's first DV shelter, with bomb threats and they killed her dog.

It seems to me that some very foundational aspects of feminism are deeply pathological.

I find it a bit naive to simply refashion feminism as "egalitarianism". That ship has sailed a long time ago.

I think we should learn from history so that we do better in the future. That said, beyond a certain point the past is the past and we move forward not back.

Yes.

I am not generally a fan of "compensatory social justice"

I think the social experiments we are running now are deeply dysfunctional.

And they have badly, badly backfired.

The black community is stellar example of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvnTByzTmA

When I am a fan of it, I believe in solving the issue early. For example, ensuring historically disadvantaged groups have good educational and nutritional opportunities as young people

There is a part 1 to this video, but, since Dave is always a little slow in his interviews, the most interesting bits are in the second part:

Rather than mess with the bar to get into Harvard, give all kids the opportunity to learn and succeed so that by the time they get to applying to Harvard they had an equal chance making something of themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5daNMXer2UQ

Yes, that's almost in line with Thomas Sowell.

Feminism was originally egalitariamnism

I think if you listen to his argument, you will find a lot to reinforce your stance and move you a little further over.

But that is where I disagree. I do not think feminism was ever egalitarianism, not even the first wave.

What are we defining as "original" feminism?

@Beemann , well I'd say the vote was a great start.

Equal access to state funded education

That was an unequal outcome though

Equal access to military service

And opposed by a majority of women on the basis that they expected it to come with draft eligibility afaik

Early suffragettes were careful to avoid having to incur military service in exchange for voting rights.

The right to apply to any college that accepts federal funds. Not the right to attend, but the right to compete for admission by the same rules.

And those suffragettes in hindsight were wrong

We learn from past errors and move on

But that's your original feminism and it's certainly not egalitarian

Well, yes, fine.

That wasn't my point.

Sure, let's move on.

But I will never call myself a feminism, because that is simply not what feminism ever was.

Few things appear fully functional and perfect on the first try

We iteratively improve

That comes off as a bit of a dodge

I do not agree with the conflation with egalitarianism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD65wnDGuTg

It's either egalitarian or it isn't, no?

Things here are moving too fast for me to view videos on a laptop :p

So if they fought for unequal rights, unequal treatment, then that's not egalitarian by definition