Message from @Undead Mockingbird
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I feel like this is still focused around postmodern feminism
I severely disagree with that. It's doing injustice to the current generation, in order to rectify a supposed past injustice.
@DrYuriMom what would you hold up as the "good" feminism? Or the last good feminism if that works better
Well, then I might be misunderstanding postmodern feminism.
Because feminism has held those kind of tenants for a long time.
Listen to Erin Pizzey or Janice Fiamenco some time.
Those are valid counterpoints
But first I think it's best to figure out where the boundaries of the conversation are
Those feminist drove out Erin Pizzey, the founder of the world's first DV shelter, with bomb threats and they killed her dog.
It seems to me that some very foundational aspects of feminism are deeply pathological.
I find it a bit naive to simply refashion feminism as "egalitarianism". That ship has sailed a long time ago.
I think we should learn from history so that we do better in the future. That said, beyond a certain point the past is the past and we move forward not back.
Yes.
I am not generally a fan of "compensatory social justice"
I think the social experiments we are running now are deeply dysfunctional.
And they have badly, badly backfired.
The black community is stellar example of this.
When I am a fan of it, I believe in solving the issue early. For example, ensuring historically disadvantaged groups have good educational and nutritional opportunities as young people
There is a part 1 to this video, but, since Dave is always a little slow in his interviews, the most interesting bits are in the second part:
Rather than mess with the bar to get into Harvard, give all kids the opportunity to learn and succeed so that by the time they get to applying to Harvard they had an equal chance making something of themselves.
Yes, that's almost in line with Thomas Sowell.
Feminism was originally egalitariamnism
I think if you listen to his argument, you will find a lot to reinforce your stance and move you a little further over.
But that is where I disagree. I do not think feminism was ever egalitarianism, not even the first wave.
What are we defining as "original" feminism?
Equal access to state funded education
That was an unequal outcome though
Equal access to military service
And opposed by a majority of women on the basis that they expected it to come with draft eligibility afaik
Early suffragettes were careful to avoid having to incur military service in exchange for voting rights.
The right to apply to any college that accepts federal funds. Not the right to attend, but the right to compete for admission by the same rules.
And those suffragettes in hindsight were wrong
We learn from past errors and move on
But that's your original feminism and it's certainly not egalitarian
Well, yes, fine.
That wasn't my point.
Sure, let's move on.