Message from @DrYuriMom
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I just find it insulting to be shouted at that I have some male privilege when my country can decide to send me off to die, whenever it decides to, simply because I am male.
What kind of fucked up privilege is that?
Again, I just want to be treated equally under the law. To be held to the same service. To have the same civic responsibilities. To pay the same taxes. To be held to the same laws.
I totally agree with your grievance, UM
Yes, as do I.
It is unfair, not right, and needs to be changed.
So, what about the grievance industry then?
Are you for compensatory justice, like gender and racial quotas?
I feel like this is still focused around postmodern feminism
I severely disagree with that. It's doing injustice to the current generation, in order to rectify a supposed past injustice.
@DrYuriMom what would you hold up as the "good" feminism? Or the last good feminism if that works better
Well, then I might be misunderstanding postmodern feminism.
Because feminism has held those kind of tenants for a long time.
Listen to Erin Pizzey or Janice Fiamenco some time.
Those are valid counterpoints
But first I think it's best to figure out where the boundaries of the conversation are
Those feminist drove out Erin Pizzey, the founder of the world's first DV shelter, with bomb threats and they killed her dog.
It seems to me that some very foundational aspects of feminism are deeply pathological.
I find it a bit naive to simply refashion feminism as "egalitarianism". That ship has sailed a long time ago.
I think we should learn from history so that we do better in the future. That said, beyond a certain point the past is the past and we move forward not back.
Yes.
I am not generally a fan of "compensatory social justice"
I think the social experiments we are running now are deeply dysfunctional.
And they have badly, badly backfired.
The black community is stellar example of this.
When I am a fan of it, I believe in solving the issue early. For example, ensuring historically disadvantaged groups have good educational and nutritional opportunities as young people
There is a part 1 to this video, but, since Dave is always a little slow in his interviews, the most interesting bits are in the second part:
Rather than mess with the bar to get into Harvard, give all kids the opportunity to learn and succeed so that by the time they get to applying to Harvard they had an equal chance making something of themselves.
Yes, that's almost in line with Thomas Sowell.
Feminism was originally egalitariamnism
I think if you listen to his argument, you will find a lot to reinforce your stance and move you a little further over.
But that is where I disagree. I do not think feminism was ever egalitarianism, not even the first wave.
What are we defining as "original" feminism?
Equal access to state funded education
That was an unequal outcome though
Equal access to military service
And opposed by a majority of women on the basis that they expected it to come with draft eligibility afaik