I still think people have a far too rosy view of feminism, including such abominations as the White Feather Movement.

The sentencing disparity between men and women is about 60% now.

Starr, Sonja B. "Estimating gender disparities in federal criminal cases." American Law and Economics Review 17.1 (2014): 127-159.

http://www.realsexism.com/

https://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat

The entire premise of feminism is incredibly insulting.

Patriarchy theory and that whole area should be relegated to the trash heaps of history.

Men did not oppress women. We co-evolved. Men protected women and the fact that women did not have rights men had was due to them also not having the same responsibilities.

My favorite demonstration would be talking through how a complete blank slate humanity would naturally form a hierarchical, patriarchal culture.

There is a difference to my mind between simply wanted equal rights and opportunity and a "fight against the patriarchy"

If we can have equal responsibility and due process, sure.

I'm for that

Remember, I served

That's all I want. I want equality.

I'm performing my civic duty on a jury

Yes and I did mine.

I pay over $20k in federal taxes annually

Because I had a penis.

BTW, the Selective Service Act applies to everyone born male.

I think it should be ditched or expanded to cover everyone regardless of sex/gender or whatever else we classify them as

I just find it insulting to be shouted at that I have some male privilege when my country can decide to send me off to die, whenever it decides to, simply because I am male.

What kind of fucked up privilege is that?

Again, I just want to be treated equally under the law. To be held to the same service. To have the same civic responsibilities. To pay the same taxes. To be held to the same laws.

I totally agree with your grievance, UM

Yes, as do I.

It is unfair, not right, and needs to be changed.

So, what about the grievance industry then?

Are you for compensatory justice, like gender and racial quotas?

I feel like this is still focused around postmodern feminism

I severely disagree with that. It's doing injustice to the current generation, in order to rectify a supposed past injustice.

@DrYuriMom what would you hold up as the "good" feminism? Or the last good feminism if that works better

Well, then I might be misunderstanding postmodern feminism.

Because feminism has held those kind of tenants for a long time.

Listen to Erin Pizzey or Janice Fiamenco some time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix5-jqQYU1M

Those are valid counterpoints

But first I think it's best to figure out where the boundaries of the conversation are

Those feminist drove out Erin Pizzey, the founder of the world's first DV shelter, with bomb threats and they killed her dog.

It seems to me that some very foundational aspects of feminism are deeply pathological.

I find it a bit naive to simply refashion feminism as "egalitarianism". That ship has sailed a long time ago.

I think we should learn from history so that we do better in the future. That said, beyond a certain point the past is the past and we move forward not back.