large enough to give them a fighting chance?

I do think exile would be an alternative in the future

Yes

plenty of vacant farms in south africa these days

they are not vacant

those who murdered the farmers still roam there

death would be better than giving them to the crazies down there

although, we could sick murders on places we don't like.

i can see both sides of the argument. i agree that to the innocent the loss of freedom for decades is torture. and yeah you cant undo an execution so no answer is perfect

exile is really the only preferred solution

What if we just... Improved our prisons?

we could do that

improved them how?

i am for improving them yeah

but then society needs to determine if it is willing to forgive.

currently it is not.

get jailed for anything, good luck finding work

even innocent, you still ahve to say yes. and if they find out you are lying, good bye.

It's harder, but it's hardly a death sentence... Especially compared to a death sentence.

you know how many people we send back to jail because selling dope was the only way for them to earn a living?

some of them we even FINE for having been in jail

@Grenade123 we have something here in the UK called the "rehabilitation of offenders act" the TL:Dr is that for minor crimes after a set period of non offending you do not have to declare the crime except for certain exempt jobs like child care

The only way?

they server their debt to society, and we go "now pay us back"

the conviction is considered "spent"

sorry I can't think of rehabilitation as something serious, as the left tries to make sure that anyone that disagrees with them have no right to have a job

what do you mean "even innocent"

Is it not possible that society would be more accepting of former convicts if we improved our rehabilitation systems and convicts were better to integrate?

@taekahn if you are found wrongly convicted

Ah

You can get an expungement in that case though

Then you don't have to say yes

Seems like a self feeding cycle. Convicts have poor chances because of society's opinions of them -> they break the law again to thrive -> society has reason to have bad opinions of them

@Schedrevka depends, what if society is the reason we haven't improved it yet?

it is a self feeding cycle

Then change has to be made over time.

but running on the platform of "allow thieves to work in your shop" isn't a popular one.

But saying "this shit is too difficult let's just mercy kill them" is hardly a step in the right direction if you ask me

"Let the drunk driver who killed a kid drive a big rig!"

because the odds alone of them being thieves again are quite high

I don't know, Trump seems to be doing pretty well with his support for that prison reform list