Message from @Grenade123

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2018-11-30 23:44:39 UTC  

you would still be alive after 10 years servered tho

2018-11-30 23:44:48 UTC  

@Jes nice way to incentive the family killing you

2018-11-30 23:45:08 UTC  

im talking about being excuted for a crime i didnt commit

2018-11-30 23:45:11 UTC  

or are you determined to strawman my idea by remove that "min time severed" requirement.

2018-11-30 23:45:18 UTC  

@Jes exactly

2018-11-30 23:45:25 UTC  

got 50 years to find you innocent.

2018-11-30 23:45:34 UTC  

The minimum time served is entirely arbitrary based on your personal opinion.

2018-11-30 23:45:53 UTC  

Just because we have to limit some freedoms in extreme cases it doesn't mean we should go further.

2018-11-30 23:45:56 UTC  

well i dont know any parents that wouldnt die for their children

2018-11-30 23:46:28 UTC  

hey, like i said, i'd prefer exile.

2018-11-30 23:46:33 UTC  

@Jes sounds like a good way to scam the state for finantial profit

2018-11-30 23:46:35 UTC  

exile would be good

2018-11-30 23:46:38 UTC  

but there is no where left to do that is there?

2018-11-30 23:46:43 UTC  

well, maybe the poles

2018-11-30 23:46:58 UTC  

There are plenty of uninhabited islands

2018-11-30 23:47:07 UTC  

hey its a fair point @.B some people would try to manipulate it

2018-11-30 23:47:09 UTC  

large enough to give them a fighting chance?

2018-11-30 23:47:17 UTC  

I do think exile would be an alternative in the future

2018-11-30 23:47:19 UTC  

Yes

2018-11-30 23:47:40 UTC  

plenty of vacant farms in south africa these days

2018-11-30 23:47:52 UTC  

they are not vacant

2018-11-30 23:48:09 UTC  

those who murdered the farmers still roam there

2018-11-30 23:48:26 UTC  

death would be better than giving them to the crazies down there

2018-11-30 23:48:42 UTC  

although, we could sick murders on places we don't like.

2018-11-30 23:48:52 UTC  

i can see both sides of the argument. i agree that to the innocent the loss of freedom for decades is torture. and yeah you cant undo an execution so no answer is perfect

2018-11-30 23:49:21 UTC  

exile is really the only preferred solution

2018-11-30 23:49:26 UTC  

What if we just... Improved our prisons?

2018-11-30 23:49:32 UTC  

we could do that

2018-11-30 23:49:34 UTC  

improved them how?

2018-11-30 23:49:46 UTC  

i am for improving them yeah

2018-11-30 23:49:55 UTC  

but then society needs to determine if it is willing to forgive.

2018-11-30 23:49:58 UTC  

currently it is not.

2018-11-30 23:50:09 UTC  

get jailed for anything, good luck finding work

2018-11-30 23:50:31 UTC  

even innocent, you still ahve to say yes. and if they find out you are lying, good bye.

2018-11-30 23:50:33 UTC  

It's harder, but it's hardly a death sentence... Especially compared to a death sentence.

2018-11-30 23:51:04 UTC  

you know how many people we send back to jail because selling dope was the only way for them to earn a living?

2018-11-30 23:51:16 UTC  

some of them we even FINE for having been in jail

2018-11-30 23:51:19 UTC  

@Grenade123 we have something here in the UK called the "rehabilitation of offenders act" the TL:Dr is that for minor crimes after a set period of non offending you do not have to declare the crime except for certain exempt jobs like child care

2018-11-30 23:51:23 UTC  

The only way?

2018-11-30 23:51:27 UTC  

they server their debt to society, and we go "now pay us back"

2018-11-30 23:52:20 UTC  

the conviction is considered "spent"