@Countess My point is broader than just Patreon and Sargon. I recognized that some of the specifics make it a little iffier in the Sargon case specifically, but I'm trying to speak about the principle of whether it's okay to ban people over using words like the n-word or not

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the principle of complete free speech and no banning at all is what is being used to justify why bans are wrong, not just the specifics about Sargon's case

I think the controversy comes from how quickly and silently they did it, as well as how he technically didnt break their company policy

I think people are overcorrecting to fight against SJWs

IM GONNA SAY THE N WORD

I think people are mad because pateron is deciding what is acceptable and what isnt

MRS OBAMA GET DOWN

When they directly said that wasnt their job, just a few months back

If Patreon doesn't decide, who does?

Well they said they wouldnt do that

funders ?

Maybe the patrons?

if people don't like it it won't get monnies

If patreon was run by people that got mad at the word "cracker"

and went around targeting podcasts that used it

admittedly its not the same at all

But its still their decision to own

There is reason to ban without allowing just Patrons to decide for themselves. Patrons have to decide AFTER they hear something. Banning prevents something. There are kids younger than 10 who use Patreon. It's reasonable to try to keep the tone of conversation within a certain spectrum

So his N word thing happened off of patreon

I guarantee you if Patreon banned anybody who said Cracker the free speech crowd would be less happy, not happier

People would become patrons **before** being well aware of the content they help fund ?

Free speech for all, whether we like it or not.

@Countess Yes. I'm trying to get you to talk about the principle but you're only resorting to talking about the specifics of one case

@Illyrian Even 6 year-olds?

Because I dont agree that is what the controversy is about

@atheist4thecause I must.

what?

If you use the N word on twitter, and you get banned

Im fine with it

Its part of their policy

Patreon specifically said they would not ban you for things off platform

Even if you’re referencing a book?

Well, technically, Patreon has left it open for them to choose whatever they want to do

quoting ought to be fine wouldn't it ?

But you are acknowledging that some banning is okay

Their written policy does not say that

and in Jacks interview

he said that would never happen

Yeah im not anti ban

Does their ToS limit them from doing that?

You are allowed to moderate their platform