Message from @ʇooNʇooN
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@DrYuriMom college should be something you go to to improve yourself, not to be a viable member of the work force. Even professions that really should require a degree, like doctors, shouldn't be straight tracked from high school. You should have working experience in the related field. And i mean working for a salary, not just for credits as part of a college program. Unfortunately we stopped treating college as a place of learn and more like the new GED. a requirement to enter the work force at almost every level. On top of that, we looked down up jobs that didn't require education as bad.
When you make a society that views farmers as bad, don't be surprised when you run out of farmers.
College today is not the college of the past
its extended high school and i thought the last few years of high school was a waste while in high school.
I have yet to see how it wasn't.
My college degree was even a waste even though i got a job in the industry because i don't feel it was necessary.
Do we need degrees in things like graphics design? What happened to assistants who trained under masters?
we replaced the masters with bureaucracy which just means anyone can pay enough money and become "qualified"
there is no human who assigns the quality of the student, just faceless organizations which spit out a student with cert that isn't even worth the paper its written on.
*doesnt want someone 'working in the field' to get 'life experience' and working for a wage BEFORE they goto med school to be his GP
a lot of companies (even friggin google) are looking for to train people before they go off and get made useless by college
if not, setting up offices abroad where they can sift through the useless millennials
thats a problem over here, getting your foot in the door for a job .. because so many ask for degrees
this is recent, for a long while, at least after 2008, even entry level jobs required either 5 years experience or a college degree. @ʇooNʇooN
it depends what the degree is in
it got pretty bad at one point, couple of years ago marks and spencers (dept. store come supermarket, upmarket) wanted degrees for people applying for cashier jobs
given that the economy has finally picked back up, i guess companies are running out of people willing to take entry level positions with 5-10 years experience
degrees for cashiers?
wtf
clearly they were looking for people who could progress, but .. for cashier position???
then you get twonks like my boss who only hires experienced people, .. last hire, doesnt have the degree in IT security he claimed he does. and he knows noooothing
my guess is that they wanted an easy way to narrow the selection
well, that and picking people who could progress through job roles as well would be my guess
really?
surely if you wanted a manager, you'd just advertise for managers
like
dude
c'mon
ah, noooo not always
company I work for hires people at store level, with the intention of picking people who seem to have the mindset to progress their careers
so you may not need an influx of managers now, but maybe in a year or two, you know you're opening 50/60 stores a year ...
kind of like gold to green?
green to gold*
Remember a time when you entired at the bottom and worked your way up? i don't because when i entered the work force, you got a few years experience then jumped ship in order to get a higher rank because you were not likely to gain more than 1 promotion. and 2 years was about the max you'd progress in that company.
we have a few people at the office who started at store level
I'd say about a third, and half of that third are management positions
recession fucked things up and companies got away with a lot of bullshit to save money. not that i blame them given the economy at the time.
so yeah, I know from experience some HR strategies do think out what some of the applicant will be doing in 3/5 years time frame
but UK issue I think is we were just turning out too many people with bachelor degrees
most of those degrees were useless tho