I agree with Tim that college is where kids (should) go to be exposed to a multitude of ideas. If that is not happening, the system is broken and needs to be reexamined. It saddens me to hear Tim repeat his derision for college attandance. I loved it and I've worked my ass off for 25 years to make sure my kids can go without any debt.

Silencing also has a long, wonderful history.

Many a poor soul has had poisonous and harmful ideas and lies destroyed long before it could reach them.

TBF, I can soooorta see the point?

on the other hand, I'm unsure if that classes as defamation

I'm beginning to think we need to the Social Democrats the door and recover the Liberal Democrat party from the left ¬.¬

show the Social Democrats, even

at this point, it'd be easier to just make a 4 party system

liberal and autocratic, and 1 for each side

so where does UKIP go? (off, somewhere .. to retire in spain ?)

not sure honestly...

or we just adopt a PR voting system and get rid of FPTP

Or burn down the party systems entirely?

good luck with that

human politics is in some ways, very collectivist 😉 collectively together groups of MPs can do more to achieve goals than individually

@DrYuriMom college should be something you go to to improve yourself, not to be a viable member of the work force. Even professions that really should require a degree, like doctors, shouldn't be straight tracked from high school. You should have working experience in the related field. And i mean working for a salary, not just for credits as part of a college program. Unfortunately we stopped treating college as a place of learn and more like the new GED. a requirement to enter the work force at almost every level. On top of that, we looked down up jobs that didn't require education as bad.

When you make a society that views farmers as bad, don't be surprised when you run out of farmers.

College today is not the college of the past

its extended high school and i thought the last few years of high school was a waste while in high school.

I have yet to see how it wasn't.

My college degree was even a waste even though i got a job in the industry because i don't feel it was necessary.

Do we need degrees in things like graphics design? What happened to assistants who trained under masters?

we replaced the masters with bureaucracy which just means anyone can pay enough money and become "qualified"

there is no human who assigns the quality of the student, just faceless organizations which spit out a student with cert that isn't even worth the paper its written on.

*doesnt want someone 'working in the field' to get 'life experience' and working for a wage BEFORE they goto med school to be his GP

a lot of companies (even friggin google) are looking for to train people before they go off and get made useless by college

if not, setting up offices abroad where they can sift through the useless millennials

thats a problem over here, getting your foot in the door for a job .. because so many ask for degrees

this is recent, for a long while, at least after 2008, even entry level jobs required either 5 years experience or a college degree. @ʇooNʇooN

it depends what the degree is in

it got pretty bad at one point, couple of years ago marks and spencers (dept. store come supermarket, upmarket) wanted degrees for people applying for cashier jobs

given that the economy has finally picked back up, i guess companies are running out of people willing to take entry level positions with 5-10 years experience

degrees for cashiers?

wtf

clearly they were looking for people who could progress, but .. for cashier position???

'cause you need to know how to write 1000s of words in an essay to work a till

then you get twonks like my boss who only hires experienced people, .. last hire, doesnt have the degree in IT security he claimed he does. and he knows noooothing

my guess is that they wanted an easy way to narrow the selection

well, that and picking people who could progress through job roles as well would be my guess

really?

surely if you wanted a manager, you'd just advertise for managers