Suing for libel/slander could be considered a check on someone to prevent them from ruining the lives of innocent people

i.e. should twitter not be allowed to ban someone for saying words. obviously no one here believes that i would think. even if we agree they shouldn't, its a private business

i wouldent like for slander and libal to be no longer offences but it should also be noted that slander and libal have as much to do with agressive bussiness practices as they do free speech

From my perspective, a free speech absolutist is someone who is against the government imposing ANY laws on speech (with the exception of inciting violence/threats)

Because those actions infringe on the rights of others

i think its sort of a matter of not being free from consaquences

You're not free from consequences

You can get sued, fired from your job, socially ostracised

But you shouldn't be imprisoned for having the "wrong" opinion

consequences, will never be, the same!

right, being sued is the only place where the law is involved in slander and libal in the us

I'm calling the cyber police @Dr.Wol

so i dont actually think its a speech issue

Yeah but i think that's more tort liability and not federal law

its not a speech issue until you have proactive inforcement of a judicial interpiritation of slander or libal

Would fraud by false advertising or misleading also be protected under an absolute free speech position?

Always wondered that

i think a lot of people get confused between what is illegal and what can be taken as offence in court by an opposing party

@angeryer that's an interesting question

If the fraud only causes financial damages, then I guess the government wouldn't step in

But if the fraud infringes on other people's rights, then I guess the government would step in

Maybe it's a case by case basis?

thats certainly something that the government enforces with a standard rather than relying completely on cases being filed to the court

I'm not a lawyer but I wouldn't know how you would be able to fairly enforce a blanket law like that

But I guess consumer protection laws do that

I'm pretty sure consumer court allows you to sure for false advertising

yeah basicly that

So WTF do I know lmao

I don't know if you guys have it in freedomland

we have class action lawsuits

its basicly the people vs

State?

it can be against anyone if the court accepts the case

Oooh

Okay then, so that Jilly juice woman can be sued?

yep

Yeah I’m not asking how it’s currently handled, I’m asking how it fits into a free-speech absolutist position

Well, that helps. Thanks guys

@angeryer Absolutist means everything is allowed

a free-speech absolutionist might be an ancap

No kind of restriction