Message from @Dan V

Discord ID: 466985199859925004


2018-07-12 15:06:12 UTC  

You can get sued, fired from your job, socially ostracised

2018-07-12 15:06:38 UTC  

But you shouldn't be imprisoned for having the "wrong" opinion

2018-07-12 15:06:45 UTC  

consequences, will never be, the same!

2018-07-12 15:06:59 UTC  

right, being sued is the only place where the law is involved in slander and libal in the us

2018-07-12 15:07:05 UTC  

I'm calling the cyber police @Dr.Wol

2018-07-12 15:07:07 UTC  

so i dont actually think its a speech issue

2018-07-12 15:07:41 UTC  

Yeah but i think that's more tort liability and not federal law

2018-07-12 15:07:57 UTC  

its not a speech issue until you have proactive inforcement of a judicial interpiritation of slander or libal

2018-07-12 15:10:05 UTC  

Would fraud by false advertising or misleading also be protected under an absolute free speech position?

2018-07-12 15:10:21 UTC  

Always wondered that

2018-07-12 15:10:23 UTC  

i think a lot of people get confused between what is illegal and what can be taken as offence in court by an opposing party

2018-07-12 15:10:39 UTC  

@angeryer that's an interesting question

2018-07-12 15:11:04 UTC  

If the fraud only causes financial damages, then I guess the government wouldn't step in

2018-07-12 15:11:26 UTC  

But if the fraud infringes on other people's rights, then I guess the government would step in

2018-07-12 15:11:34 UTC  

Maybe it's a case by case basis?

2018-07-12 15:11:35 UTC  

thats certainly something that the government enforces with a standard rather than relying completely on cases being filed to the court

2018-07-12 15:12:00 UTC  

I'm not a lawyer but I wouldn't know how you would be able to fairly enforce a blanket law like that

2018-07-12 15:12:12 UTC  

But I guess consumer protection laws do that

2018-07-12 15:12:20 UTC  

I'm pretty sure consumer court allows you to sure for false advertising

2018-07-12 15:12:20 UTC  

yeah basicly that

2018-07-12 15:12:27 UTC  

So WTF do I know lmao

2018-07-12 15:12:33 UTC  

I don't know if you guys have it in freedomland

2018-07-12 15:12:53 UTC  

we have class action lawsuits

2018-07-12 15:13:06 UTC  

its basicly the people vs

2018-07-12 15:13:11 UTC  

State?

2018-07-12 15:13:31 UTC  

it can be against anyone if the court accepts the case

2018-07-12 15:13:46 UTC  

Oooh

2018-07-12 15:14:00 UTC  

Okay then, so that Jilly juice woman can be sued?

2018-07-12 15:14:12 UTC  

yep

2018-07-12 15:14:25 UTC  

Yeah I’m not asking how it’s currently handled, I’m asking how it fits into a free-speech absolutist position

2018-07-12 15:14:26 UTC  

Well, that helps. Thanks guys

2018-07-12 15:14:43 UTC  

@angeryer Absolutist means everything is allowed

2018-07-12 15:14:50 UTC  

a free-speech absolutionist might be an ancap

2018-07-12 15:14:52 UTC  

No kind of restriction

2018-07-12 15:15:06 UTC  

False advertising? Too bad suckers

2018-07-12 15:15:06 UTC  

I suppose so yeah

2018-07-12 15:15:13 UTC  

Wait for the reviews

2018-07-12 15:15:21 UTC  

buyer beware

2018-07-12 15:15:33 UTC  

The paid McReviews say it’s great!

2018-07-12 15:15:45 UTC  

That's why I'm not in agreement with ancaps

2018-07-12 15:15:49 UTC  

It's like