And social liberal is very left

I'm not sure what the convo is exactly about because it's almost 4am and I'm too tired to scroll all the way up but I'll say there is also difference between Social Justice ADVACE and Warrior

'Social liberal' is a umbrella i'd usually be comfortable under.

It's in the middle of the bottom left

Advocate*

ffs

But depending on country, that could be center left more then anything

The problem is that it's becoming hard to tell what that means.

Nah, centre left is classical liberal

Like sargon

Or Dave rubin

Personally, I don't like all these labels.

You have a very idea of what lies where then me.

I think you have to endorse certain positions to place well.

Classical liberals are fairly firmly right leaning to me

Rather than take broad terms.

They're libertarian though

This is a problem with Left-Right

In no small part because the labels are fragmenting right now.

@pratel positions like social liberal aren't broad terms

The lean to the sides of social / classical liberal is so insignificant the difference doesn't really matter

The four way compass clears up some confusion, but its still really imperfect

8values is much better

Left-right in the political compass refer to economy

also do 8 values

Top down in the political compass refers to level of government control

Left right refers to economic values

https://i.imgur.com/3ui5PuB.png

I also think the left right divide is stupid and it should be libertarian / authoritarian but meh

That's the libertarian side, yes?

I'd view classical liberals on that right side circle

And positions like mine in the left circle

@Scarlet Sargon did the political compass recently

He was centre left

I remember sargons economic views being very traditionally right leaning

Honestly, it doesn't even matter.

Like, suppose you call yourself a faluhousa. It doesn't change a thing.

yeah thats part of why labels in general CAN be misleading

Labels are just labels.

But everyone fights over these labels as if there are clear distinctions.

Oh, labels do matter, pratel