its just that the 2nd time, they have to bury your body

lol yeah

See I hear people say that about plenty of things, but then there are people who survive it. It doesn't make the initial action good, but it does draw something of a distinction

the braindeath that causes communist beleifs

and then body death that naturally follows

teh second one can take really long to happen though

Nobody comes back from being dead for 10 years, but people do come back from a hell of a lot of things that take up notably more time

yes

but thats the thing, which is worse?

instant death

Or suffering to the point where it doesn't even matter anymore

The implication is that the latter is going to occur in some of the richest and most prosperous countries in the world

i mean what would you rather happen?

an embryo getting killed before it can even develop a self

Or a person getting raped repeatedly between ages 5-11

And then to just be cast under the emotionless protection of the state

I think the better solution is to address the latter

where they are little more than a number

and until you have adressed it?

Rather than fatalistically accept it as inevitable

We live right now in a world where we haven't fixed it

when will it? and how many do you wanna force to live through it until it IS fixed?

Well we're currently not at a point where the test tube hypothetical is viable either

test tube hypothetical doesn't prevent the fate AFTER they are birthed

No, but the solution to the problem should be addressing the system

i agree

but until we do?

Like would you say people with severe birth defects should be aborted?

yeah because regardless of if the person is aborted there are other cases liek the death of parents where someone would suffer under that system

yes

Why do you get to decide this?

anything thats debilitating to their life

Until it’s fixed don’t make taxpayers foot the bill.

because:
A. this child will be in need of help their whole life, and i dont want to pay for someone elses lack of judgment
and
B. This child will not have a happy life

so make a choice

Either do it on your own time/money
Or don't bother me about it

Hold on, how are we defining debilitating?

debilitating as in, debilitating

And should Stephen Hawking have been aborted then? In your ideal state?

I dont think he's saying laws should force abortions

Stephen Hawking didn't start debilitated at birth

I think he's saying that he'd prefer if people with (x) wouldnt be born/be aborted

That's my impression anyways

Right but in an instance where you could detect such a debilitation before birth

pop 'em

or pay for it at your own expense