Message from @JULZIFICATOR

Discord ID: 473936156816441361


2018-07-31 19:28:30 UTC  

"its statistics, because i can't predict its endings with certainty"

2018-07-31 19:28:32 UTC  

Why isnt physics a science? Because you can't say a 10k drop will kill for certain

2018-07-31 19:28:34 UTC  

yes <- to Cytos

2018-07-31 19:28:51 UTC  

also
"medicine is statistics, not science"

2018-07-31 19:28:54 UTC  

paraphrasing

2018-07-31 19:29:22 UTC  

Why aren't physics or chemistry science? Because as far as we're aware there exists inherent randomization within the universe

2018-07-31 19:29:31 UTC  

those are sciences

2018-07-31 19:29:38 UTC  

On what basis?

2018-07-31 19:29:52 UTC  

you are dismissing the randomness of quantum again, which you can not predict what the spin will be

2018-07-31 19:29:57 UTC  

the fact you can reliably predict the outcome when you set detailed parameters

2018-07-31 19:30:08 UTC  

you can not on medicine

2018-07-31 19:30:15 UTC  

When you set detailed parameters you can

2018-07-31 19:30:25 UTC  

But the real world is not known, detailed parameters

2018-07-31 19:30:52 UTC  

okay just to set thigns straight

2018-07-31 19:31:04 UTC  

when talking about randomness and predictability in science

2018-07-31 19:31:39 UTC  

I want you to take a gun to a range and fire 10 shots with 0 spread in your groupings. Just use physics m8

2018-07-31 19:31:50 UTC  

If you can't do it, it's not a science

2018-07-31 19:32:20 UTC  

on the contrary, if you can't do it, you can set it as a basis for science that it can't be done (barring the infinite numbers argument)

2018-07-31 19:32:34 UTC  

the term "random" is jsut the coloquial term for stochasticy

2018-07-31 19:33:05 UTC  

which in essence means randomness but not as randomness is colloquially understood

2018-07-31 19:33:31 UTC  

You can't fire 10 shots on target exactly in a vacuum using a machine because you couldnt do it IRL in your meat body?

2018-07-31 19:33:46 UTC  

meat machines on mars

2018-07-31 19:34:00 UTC  

Sigh I think i made a mistake coming here...i forgot that however open minded this place is still slanted toward secular naturalism...so all that happened is that I wasted everyone's time sounding as far as they are concerned a complete idiot

2018-07-31 19:34:05 UTC  

Sorry

2018-07-31 19:34:08 UTC  

oof

2018-07-31 19:34:14 UTC  

you can do it on target in a vacuum in zero g

2018-07-31 19:34:19 UTC  

(true zero g)

2018-07-31 19:34:25 UTC  

you want a complete spread of all beliefs for you to want to be somewhere?

2018-07-31 19:34:27 UTC  

thats gay

2018-07-31 19:34:43 UTC  

secular naturalism

2018-07-31 19:34:44 UTC  

What's wrong with that?

2018-07-31 19:34:51 UTC  

you will never get that

2018-07-31 19:34:52 UTC  

I didn't realize I was a secular naturalist

2018-07-31 19:34:53 UTC  

nah i think its a "you don't agree with me so i'm leaving" thing Cytos

2018-07-31 19:34:54 UTC  

Right and that doesn't change the fact that you're only going to get a % success rate in a real world scenario

2018-07-31 19:35:03 UTC  

......
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2018-07-31 19:35:25 UTC  

I mean, you're absolutely welcome here if you want to stay.

2018-07-31 19:35:42 UTC  

The fact that you're calling evidence a form of bias doesn't reflect well tbh

2018-07-31 19:35:55 UTC  

Like we can discuss how that study isn't proof at all

2018-07-31 19:36:01 UTC  

I can find middle ground