@Grenade123 That is usually handled more by city taxing, and wages

you can read books on how to philosophise

You can read books, and great authors, that doesn't make you a writer.

so then the feds shouldn't be taxing people, more taxing the states.

@Grenade123 Someone choosing to live in an expensive area are using their wealth to do so though as well so that should be factored in

i mean, if they are too far removed to really know the cost of living, why tax everyone when 70k could mean you are rich in like Louisiana and poor in cali.

No, philosophies is a cohortative line of education, it's part of you must challenge arguments, and have yours be challenged.

@Grenade123 For sure a lot of taxing and spending should be moved to the states

yes, and how do you need a full college class for that?

Argumentation isn't a skill that emerges naturally.

you can write a book "The fundamentals of Philosophy" and sell it for 30 bucks

Sure it is

i think all that power should be moved down. cut some the state stuff, give it to towns, replace it with power from the feds

give that to the states

Argumentation is a skill you learn by argumenting

Having debates

@Awrini Being contrary isn't the same thing as argumentation.

@Grenade123 The same job in Louisiana typically pays more in Cali, but they can still move if they like

Debates aren't argumentation.

A person who learns "The fine skill of arguing" will not suddenly become a great debater

Debates require argumentation

I'm not being contrary. True argumentation comes from gathering knowledge.

Arguing isn't argumentation.

you know what i mean

@Grenade123 The Fed imo mostly only should do international affairs, I don''t see much they should be responsible beyond that

don't strawman my poor use of my 2nd language

Yes, and it's not what I'm talking about.

agreed

I'm not.

You are, you know what i mean and deliberately put me in a bad light for using wrong words by pointing them out

When you are arguementative, yiu are also expected to be able to reinforce your arguements with facts.

No, I'm not. You are talking about taking separate position, and arguing over which is correct.

That is not argumentation.

That is an argument, or a debate.

Argumentation requires practice, just like any other skill

commieforina wants to be ultra socialist? fine.... don't use my fucking money from way the fuck over here to do it when i want to help this poor person right down the street from me.

Yes, but the skill you're promoting is not argumentation.

what is it then?

It's debate.

@Grenade123 exactly, then they can fail and be an example

debate requires argumentation

No it doesn't debate is not argumentation.