Message from @Grenade123
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I kind of agree with Sargon on the point of some requests are more difficult than others, and if it's not possible to persuade them they should just be told you can't make a check for that.
Like if you asked me to sell you my nephew there's nothing you could say to make me do that.
It doesn't matter how persuasive you are.
no one can scare you into doing it?
I think it's fine to do. A good roll gets your point across better, so they understand your position better.
No one can scare me more than his father, no.
And in some cases you may not be able to convince a person, but maybe over a month or two of trying to convince them it may sway them
still, i can see that point. you can still let them try then go "okay, you got a 20. he's not doing that. pick something else, or you move on"
eventually they get the point.
No I think just "You can't do that" before the roll is better.
Pick somethign else.
Na i agree with sargon there.
Like if I told you to sell your nephew you'd just be like "No. what is wrong with you", but if I got a great roll to convince you a demon will destroy the village you may be like "No. I understand your concerns now and think you're crazy".
@Dennafen but its so much more fun to let them roll then go "good job. did nothing."
Allways annoys me when players say "let me roll X" - not just for persuasion
nothing wrong with ticking them off for being stupid
Don't tell them what they may or may not do. Just don't give them their way if it makes no sense.
next best step is let them kill themselves
@Schedrevka but rolling is not something they do is my point
They do something and may have to roll for that
I think this is a case where you can't just say "I want to roll to persuade him to do this" but actually need to tell him WHY you think they should do this, and the roll can determine how well you got your point across
Like I said it's not mind control, but it is how well you present your argument
Sometimes no argument regardless of how good will convince them, but some arguments are gotten across better than others
and that can influence how they react
Right.
What im speaking of is not neccessarily limited to persuasion. I also hear people say "can i roll perception?" - that doesnt make any sense. Saying "i keep an eye on the door" does and if there is something to notice you may fail to notice the GM will tell you to roll.
So Will Wheaton, I am going with "Unthinking Useful idiot that just drinks the cool-aid."
i think its funnier when they say "sure" when there is nothing to see. and the like
makes them think they ahve a chance to find something
Well, yeah
Yeah, some people just try and make dumb skill checks all the time, but sometimes a player will want to make a check that makes sense and the DM just didn't think of it.
"You notice your right shoelace is longer than your left shoelace" - and if its a low roll "while running into a telephone poll, take 1 damage" 😉
i love low perception checks
always entertaining
I've DM'd a fair bit and some players really don't understand and it's fucking annoying, but some players do get how things work, and it's not a hard case of "players should NEVER in any circumstance ask to roll" like some people say
I have a question ... if the abcdefghi etc community-promotes diversity then why havent they boy cotter fashion companies that only sell men and womens cloths ? Is it because they recognize two genders ?
"a bee has distracted you, be dead last in initiative rolls for the next 5 minutes"
I find lolrandumb results for skill checks as annoying as "I roll perception"
Depends on the game. Sometimes it's fun for players to just go with the flow and let the GM and the rolls produce ridiculous results. I think it gets old fast though
i think truly ridiculous results are for crits