They're wrong.

Indeed.

Isn't there a spell that makes them stupid?

Combine that with high persuasion and you can make people in zombies.

But that's not really the same thing.

true.

still, entertaining Vee annoyed him enough to have him make this video

but the solution is simple "well done, you have persuaded him to do something. now pick what that is because your thing so far is out side the realm of sense"

I kind of agree with Sargon on the point of some requests are more difficult than others, and if it's not possible to persuade them they should just be told you can't make a check for that.

Like if you asked me to sell you my nephew there's nothing you could say to make me do that.

It doesn't matter how persuasive you are.

no one can scare you into doing it?

I think it's fine to do. A good roll gets your point across better, so they understand your position better.

No one can scare me more than his father, no.

And in some cases you may not be able to convince a person, but maybe over a month or two of trying to convince them it may sway them

still, i can see that point. you can still let them try then go "okay, you got a 20. he's not doing that. pick something else, or you move on"

eventually they get the point.

No I think just "You can't do that" before the roll is better.

Pick somethign else.

Na i agree with sargon there.

Like if I told you to sell your nephew you'd just be like "No. what is wrong with you", but if I got a great roll to convince you a demon will destroy the village you may be like "No. I understand your concerns now and think you're crazy".

@Dennafen but its so much more fun to let them roll then go "good job. did nothing."

Allways annoys me when players say "let me roll X" - not just for persuasion

nothing wrong with ticking them off for being stupid

Don't tell them what they may or may not do. Just don't give them their way if it makes no sense.

next best step is let them kill themselves

@Schedrevka but rolling is not something they do is my point

They do something and may have to roll for that

"good job, you scared him enough to make him believe you are a threat.... roll initiative"

I think this is a case where you can't just say "I want to roll to persuade him to do this" but actually need to tell him WHY you think they should do this, and the roll can determine how well you got your point across

Like I said it's not mind control, but it is how well you present your argument

Sometimes no argument regardless of how good will convince them, but some arguments are gotten across better than others

and that can influence how they react

Right.

What im speaking of is not neccessarily limited to persuasion. I also hear people say "can i roll perception?" - that doesnt make any sense. Saying "i keep an eye on the door" does and if there is something to notice you may fail to notice the GM will tell you to roll.

So Will Wheaton, I am going with "Unthinking Useful idiot that just drinks the cool-aid."

i think its funnier when they say "sure" when there is nothing to see. and the like

makes them think they ahve a chance to find something

Well, yeah

Yeah, some people just try and make dumb skill checks all the time, but sometimes a player will want to make a check that makes sense and the DM just didn't think of it.

"You notice your right shoelace is longer than your left shoelace" - and if its a low roll "while running into a telephone poll, take 1 damage" 😉