Magical Sheep
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I read through <#551617059013001236> at your request a couple of days prior @๐The Mad Philosopher๐
Lmao causation is not correlation
In addition, i notice that none of this anti-vaccine fervor existed until after an erroneous study that was retracted and the researcher stripped of their medical license
I walk to work and get hit by a car and killed
Therefore walking to work is lethal to everybody?
Some people have immune failures and canโt take vaccines, but thatโs a different issue entirely
โBiology is never 100%โ
Some people will always be medically unable to take vaccines because of their immune systems
No, I want a population to be immune to a disease through herd immunity (caused by vaccines) by making people who can take it become vaccinated which is safe unless you have an immune system mutation
Sure his names Andrew Wakefield
Whatโs not possible?
He was discredited
Read the first sentence
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Scientists and organizations across the world spent a great deal of time and money refuting the results of a minor paper in the Lancet and exposing the scientific fraud that formed the basis of the paper. Appallingly, parents across the world did not vaccinate their children out of fear of the risk of autism, thereby exposing their children to the risks of disease and the well-documented complications related thereto. Measles outbreaks in the UK in 2008 and 2009 as well as pockets of measles in the USA and Canada were attributed to the nonvaccination of children.[7] The Wakefield fraud is likely to go down as one of the most serious frauds in medical history.[9]`
``` Appallingly, parents across the world did not vaccinate their children out of fear of the risk of autism, thereby exposing their children to the risks of disease and the well-documented complications related thereto```
"was fraudulent"
you know what the most damning thing about your position is? It didn't exist until a fraudulent study
`Intellectual dishonesty` the only intellectual dishonesty was committed by Andrew Wakefield
no I want the population to be safe through herd immunity
Look at the sources here
Natural News is run by a known anti-science person who has been vilified by the scientific community
it is known as the most prolific source of misinformation
and don't give me the classic garbage about him being "Educated"
he just says I went to college and (conveniently) doesn't say where or when
I don't consider that to be a scientific study
truth testing says I'm correct
if you have a mound of sand, how many grains do you need to remove to have it no longer be the same mound of sand?
existence verification through a single source is a fallacy, verification by a community is the only way to evaluate anything
if you think everyone else it out to get you, then that's extreme paranoia and not grounded on facts
in fact if you want we can do some hypothetical extension of your argument
I see that you're a flat earther, anti-vaxx, and more...I take from this that you believe the government lies to you on a variety of things, correct?
why stoop to insults?
^
why do they post allergens on packaging even though it's not certain that the allergen is present?
because somebody had an adverse reaction
no, look at food packaging allergens listed
truth testing shows that your volume is minor
`You deliberately ignored evidence, even from the CDC, as well as from the inserts. So, I would argue that is extraordinarily offensive and rude. I have nothing more tp say to you two.` Okay, so it doesn't matter whether we discuss how vaccines are good in here, you don't have to say anything
yup, don't mind if we continue posting things in here about how vaccines benefit the world
well then you clearly want to say more to us
And we have actual scientific evidence, as opposed to anti-science ravings
@โงMike Flatbird (Mike Blackbird)โง how can I reach a higher frequency?
lmao earth is weird
Why can I not see the voice channels here?
>calling people illiterate
>writes a message
Ummmm no
@dustbreather sorry didnโt mean offense
02 avatar uwu
How does one get the ability to post in <#484515645258596369>
`problem: not all of these diseases had vaccines for them, not limited to the black death and Q fever. Plague too` Sure, the common cold doesn't have a vaccine. That's because it mutates too frequently. Science is still finding the best way to protect humans against diseases.
`you also tend to use the name of science. Clearly observable that you weaponize the word science
when claiming having the word science, you can call anyone not believing you 'anti-science'. Which is a fallacious tactic based on ad hominem, rather than a good argument` https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiscience It is a real thing which means they stand against the principles of science (observation & hypothesis testing) as well as the scientific method. You can show me NaturalNews, which admit themselves they are against the principles of science and the scientific community [aka they are anti-science], but anti-vaxxers still can't explain using facts and actual biological vocabulary to describe the alleged negative effects of vaccines.
is corbett report reliable
answer: no
apparently `Factual Reporting: LOW
Notes: The Corbett Reports is a right wing biased conspiracy site. Some featured topics are the New World Order, 9-11 conspiracies and of course false flag operations. There are many more. (D. Van Zandt 2/4/2017)`
please don't say "MUH GOVERNMENT CENSORS EVERYTHING"
you can't reject an entire community without cause and then say your sources are the only ones that are reliable
and I'm telling you the word anti-science exists and has a definition
are you rejecting that?
nice natural news article in <#551617059013001236>
they are against science
that's a fact, which they admit themselves
hence, anti-science
interesting, NaturalNews forms the bulwark of the sources presented by those against vaccines
would you object to posting your sources? if you'd like I can do the same
what about WHO and the CDC?
okay I'll give you a fair chance and read over vaccinepapers
it'll take awhile, be warned
no, I understand medical exemptions
first of all, by your own "source" (in quotes because Natural News is not reliable) it's 12 times as many, not a million
second of all, you believe that the "measles and mumps vaccines" you "don't have a problem with" -
`In 1963 the measles vaccine was developed, and by the late 1960s, vaccines were also available to protect against mumps (1967) and rubella (1969). These three vaccines were combined into the MMR vaccine in 1971` Source: Vaccine History & Development
therefore this is one of the vaccines that was AFTER 1940, so sure, they've received more vaccines since 1940 but you yourself concede that they are effective
@Citizen Z @Wretch appreciate the insults :^)
How did I lie? Literally somebody else posted the natural news is anti-science thing
Do you want me to do it again?
Yeah he deleted the article saying he wanted to kill all scientists!
First of all wretch, read the archive
Itโs a piece that he wrote for natural news that says he wanted to kill all scientists
It was removed from naturalness
*news
Go to the archive
Itโs a natural news page
Oh the link doesnโt work?
Iโll find the archive again
Nope, because Iโm taking an image and putting it in a link
Would you not @ me every other sentence you type?
I have seen the archive link before, Iโm not sure if you have
Iโm on mobile, wretch however has the screenshot which includes the archive link
Oh see?
@Wretch is that enough for you?
The burden of proof falls on the person making the claim against the establishment
think of trial procedure
I mean, there is proof here if you'd at least look around
<#484516084846952451>
not at that scale, no
but look at a larger scale
the angle there would be miniscule, perhaps indetectible
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