You would argue with it if it were just a few red counties in the entire nation that had more people than the rest of the nation and you were stuck under Conservative thumb for the rest of all time.

BUT....the whole red vs blue thing wouldn't make a hill of beans if the federal government wasn't overreaching it's power through overtaxation and using that to issue mandates .... which is kind of AGAINST everything the Framers set up when they limited the Federal power and put the power of rule over citizens in the hands of the states.

I say we scrap all the Federal Agencies, cut the taxes that are paying for them and give the power back to the states where it was meant to be. Wanna live in a progressive area? Move to Cali. Wanna live in a Conservative area? Move to Texas.

Etc.

I run into that argument...so yes, I can see that people are saying that fraud proven in what, 6? 8? cities isn't "massive"....but it was enough to tip an entire election and affect every citizen of the USA.

And THAT makes fraud in those few cities become massive.

I felt the same way....why not have someone impartial investigate?

I mean, if I've committed a crime or one of my employees committed a crime that will come back to bite me in the butt....SURE, PLEASE let me investigate that crime for you. I assure you, there will be no crime committed to bite me in the butt at the end of my investigation.

Has anyone explained the data? Has anyone explained the votes that were switched from Trump to Biden or just removed all together?

Because in PA alone, that's about 1 million votes back to Trump and 220,000 down for Biden.

I went through all of that data myself and do still have that one my computer.

Unless they made money to allow this to happen. And we all know politicians are easy to pay for.

And no one has come out and said "This is why those 18,000 votes were switched from Trump to Biden" or this is why those "32,000" votes just disappeared from Trump's total.

Not a single explanation has been given as to WHY it's there.

Right but if you can't tell me why it's "normal" I can't accept as normal. I'm not a coder now but I once was....machines do not do that in "normal" operation.

They can only follow the instructions you given them.

So, it's normal for anyone that has a Smartmatic portion of their backbone software...

Which still doesn't make it acceptable to me.

When in the world are we ever going to get to a real trial if they

1) Won't allow us to bring real witnesses forward due to time constraints

and

2) Exclude the witness affidavits we have because the witnesses themselves didn't testify

I mean, that it literally what just happened in NV

Can't keep telling us we don't have proof when we're never allowed to present the proof and not have it excluded for some ignorant technical thing....

Agreed. Rescanning batch after batch of ballots without zeroing out the tabulator was another issue.

EXTREMELY!

https://www.facebook.com/JennaEllisEsq45/posts/2701160513469859

Sorry - but that cracked me up

I have to agree with you here.

If I were an attorney, I wouldn't lay my entire case on the table before filing. Just like, when I play poker, I don't show my cards until it's time to show my hand.

ALL of the evidence for Sidney's cases is filed and you can read it all on courtlistener. I have.

This is a little known site, but a friend of Gen Flynn's is the owner.

https://uncoverdc.com/2020/12/03/minnesota-witness-mentally-handicapped-individuals-forced-to-vote-for-biden/

He has said this crap before but as the Head of Georgia's Executive branch, he could ORDER it investigated...he doesn't have to ask anyone.

We went through this discussion earlier. Pristine ballots in the recount need to be forensically examined for me to believe they're not fraudulent.

Smartmatic is a piece of the completed voting system that several companies licensed to use.

They are not competitors.

I kind of despise all news --- they're either left or they're right ---- no one just gives me the facts and lets me think for myself. So this dig at press cracked me up.

That's my understanding.

It can also be seen in the massive number of people who have stepped up to inspect data, watch places that are under order not to detroy possible evidence, etc. That came from a call on Twitter. Much of what Sidney's team or Rudy's team has done deeper investigation on came from the vast number of worker ants that went out everywhere and began hunting.

This level thing is kind of annoying.

Thanks - brain fart - dealing with a massive headache all day. Deleted it.

I found him on accident over election stuff and have greatly appreciated his take on what we see. I will continue once the election is past though. Criminal law is intriguing.

Anyone found this case on CourtListener?

https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1334997760869888003

I hate it when they give me a screenshot that has no case number

Here's a copy of the main document but it's not the filed document for me to grab a case number on it. https://cdn.donaldjtrump.com/public-files/press_assets/verified-petition-to-contest-georgia-election.pdf

But will reasonable Americans even hear about it if it's proven...half the county doesn't know about a single achievement from the last 4 years because a huge majority of main news sources refused to report on those achievements. Heck, I know many who don't even know that Trump's been nominated 5x for a Nobel Peace Price. FIVE nominations and half the country doesn't know about ONE.

I mean, maybe you don't think the peace is great....but I love not sending our people to die for someone's mess.

But whatever melts your butter.

It's Biden that caters to China and encourages trade with companies choosing to charge us massive prices for products made by slave labor in Chinese labor camps.

But again, whatever melts your butter.

I like peace and I'm really down on slavery.

I have seen that. Not versed enough to be sure it is what they say it is. If so, it's big. If not, it's smoke.

Most definitely he does. Kind of hard to buy off a billionaire to get them to do what you want.

The vast majority of the rest of our politicians are easily bought or blackmailed.

Dude. Of course he does. They're going to offer to give him $ for his campaign, he's going to use it.

But I don't see him taking dirty money in exchange for looking the other way like Biden has been doing with China.

AMEN!

First - I have no freaking idea what Trump may have said or not said about being nominated. I just know that he was nominated for the 5th time toward the end of October.

https://www.newsmax.com/peterpry/emp-icbm-nato-testing/2020/10/26/id/993845/

I was just hunting it down @meglide

But none of this changes the fact that left-wing media will refuse to report facts....just like they constantly claimed that there were no riots....then when they HAD to begin admitting, it was "Mostly peaceful but fiery"

So, even if proof is all over the place ... literally half of America is unlikely to see it. Honestly, I wonder if, as Americans, we can file a huge class action lawsuit against all the biased media....for only giving us half the story and creating huge divisions

So what if we all got $1 each....if we got back to facts in news, I'd be THRILLED.

Do you have that posted somewhere?

Except they've now found antibodies in blood samples from last October or so....it was here LONG before anyone knew it.

Don't I wish I had any kind of proof....but we all have plenty of proof of bias by all media...dividing the heck out of Americans. I post a Breightbart article - factual, mind you - and my left wing friends will go nuts, contradicting it with a CNN article that isn't necessarily contradicting it....it's just leaving the "right-wing" facts out, just like the Breightbart article leaves the "left-wing" facts put....

Our media is who has polarized our country.

Yes, I read that, but it was found HERE in the US in Oct if I remember. Let me go look. I posted it somewhere.

@meglide - I was wrong on months - mid December https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-likely-in-u-s-in-mid-december-2019-cdc-scientists-report-11606782449

Now that makes sense.

Yes! That was my point....all this finger-pointing at Trump is null. It was going around long before we knew.

Yep. WHO sucks.

I now laugh at the term "intelligence agnecies"

They're too busy trying to undermine our own government - remember the Steele Dossier? That Hilary planned and the Obama admin and FBI KNEW she planned....and we spent years with a fake investigation over it?

Intelligence agencies my booty.

Yeah, I would too. dang typos!

I don't find it difficult to believe at all....

@Maw - who are you debating?

I read us all on the same team on this one...

Me too - we're too gullible.

https://epochtimes.today/chinas-50-cent-army-its-450-million-fake-posts-and-the-life-and-death-of-the-ccp/

Who is broadcasting moderate left? I seem to find everyone who is parroting CNN.

I wouldn't have a clue.

@busillis - sorry. I've been dealing with a serious headache and this is almost like trying to decode your messages. I'm lost.

You two are going 'round in circles, @Corndog and @james j - I feel like I'm watching my sons argue.

You will never agree...

Time to give up the fight and each believe what you believe.

It's over. He is trying to keep an open mind as best he can while he watches evidence that is shown. You, @james j choose to believe that evidence he finds valid isn't.

Therefore, you two will never meet in the middle.

Non-stop circular argument.

I am sorry! I missed the notification for this chat. It's due to weather changes. Barometric pressure gets me every time.

@Maw - what's the blasted level thing? Weird little Watcher guy that pops up...

Personally, I've found some of it to be very compelling. Other things I've wondered about.

Not discouraged.

I hope you sent flowers to the funeral?

I thought only politicians were into plausible deniability...

Seems I'm mistaken!

@Maw when you have a chance, can you ask Robert and Ms. Faith if they have docket numbers for all the current Supreme Court Cases? Not rush, but I'd really appreciate a tag if you come up with it. ... as a matter of fact, it would be awesome to have it posted in slides or announcements so it's "findable"

Spot on, @meglide

jailing is bad....but the IRS is already firing up to ramp audits on small biz up by 50% next year....the same people who tend to vote republican (because Dems put way more taxes on small (and big) business - as well as regulations that raise the cost of running those businesses)....IRS can destroy lives and livelihoods, leaving people destitute and never jail them....or jail them for enough time to finish them off.

Not sure where to ask this....asked it on the elections chat because it pertains to elections...but that chat is overrun with people talking about everything and it got buried.

@Maw when you have a chance, can you ask Robert and Ms. Faith if they have docket numbers for all the current Supreme Court Cases? Not rush, but I'd really appreciate a tag if you come up with it. ... as a matter of fact, it would be awesome to have it posted in slides or announcements so it's "findable"

We can't really trust any media....most of MSM is being wined and dined by CCP.

Yes. I'm not ignorant. But being wined and dined by CCP when we all know that CCP doesn't give without something in return....

https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/media-private-ccp-dinners-trips/

Folks... I realize Maw's not around....but could you refrain from ugliness and pretend he is here to call you out?

Can we be civil?

You mean so so companies like Apple and Nike can make overpriced products on the backs of forced and child labor?

I'm out of here. This conversation isn't even worse wasting time on.