Well every four years is a leap year so 1/4 of a person on top of the yearly 1?

@Doc isn't there a burn chart that labels each body areas by percentage? Probably a good guide haha.

Most fortuitous

So about 2 1/2 body parts per year then haha

I don't even want to get into breaking down what pats constitute what percentage specifically. Too much math for me

https://tenor.com/view/chris-farley-awesome-snl-gif-10833210

Maybe this was covered here already or in one of the videos (link if there is one), but do you think Trump has a solid case under the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment?

I just heard Wayne County certified their votes. Earlier in this thread it was said they refused to. Any clarification on this?

Just to insert my two cents here; with everything going on, the allegations and evidence coming out, the inability for this election to even come close to being reasonable when viewed through common sense lenses, and the overall background of the past 4-5 years of outright abhorrent behavior towards the president (and really any other person not of the left-leaning affiliation), I have little to no faith in this country's election process.

We should, that's why I'll call out the same on the right-leaning side too.

Although when you compare the two relevant to this election, the left-leaning groups are currently the ones to be more wary of. I mean, they more-or-less harassed vote officials in Wayne County to certify results. Although making kidnap plots against sitting elected representatives (e.g. Gov. Whitmer) is also something to worry about

Yeah, criticism of anything doesn't come across as a valid premise.

Criticism of the president equaling an argument for fraud claims (i believe what you're getting at) is also doodoo.

You know what, I do remember a video of the suspects where one of them said "F*** Trump" I believe. I'll have to dig up the video or articles to be sure.

@Doc you have achieved transcendence

You are everything and nothing. Now take your place amongst the divine hahaha

This is the Circuit court and not the State Supreme Court right?

Not to stray too off topic here, but if this investigation and these claims turn out to be not enough, and Biden is the next president beyond a reasonable doubt, I'm a little concerned for the direction he looks to be heading.

@Zuluzeit what about his seeming direction makes you thrilled? From what I've read on his plans...they are a complete opposite direction back to the Obama days with a slight variance.

Which of his proposed policies in particular mention this? if you are referring to the "Green New Deal" about not dumping toxins then that's basically the Paris Accords and that is garbage.

So increasing regulations through reinstating former EPA regs? Not a fan of increased regulation even if it's with good intentions. The whole "path to hell is paved wiht good intentions" bit.

Fair.

I don't agree with more regulations as it bogs things down, but fair enough.

I don't foresee nor have confidence in any extra regulations getting repealed if companies got their acts together with these regs. Though that's the nature of this government through my observations. Who doesn't like the downstroke for innovation and modernizing?

So what kind of election developments can we expect this week? Anything major or the same ol' humdrum?

Anyone hear about the PA judge's ruling last night around 11 p.m. holding up certification, finding that there's likelihood the "Mail-In balloting procedures violate PA constitution"?

Last night is old news?

It didn't follow the state constitutional procedures at all and that is the basis for this lawsuit

If it's affirmed that this "law" is unconstitutional then all the votes are legally moot yeah? Since they were under an illegal "law"

Majority vote by members of both the PA House of Reps and Senate in two consecutive legislative sessions, then published for 3 months in two newspapers in every county, and finally submitted to qualified electors as a ballot question in the next general election and approved by the majority of those voting on the amendment.

It wasn't they forgot, it was that Gov. Wolf rammed through the changes before the second hearing. I think it was even before the first actually

legalinsurrection.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-state-judge-halts-certification-finds-likelihood-mail-in-balloting-procedures-violate-pa-constitution/

No problem. It rolled through on a podcast i watch so there's most likely other sites too. I'll check the state government website in a minute.

Man i was just about to post that haha

If they say "this is illegal, but the results won't change" then I have lost all faith in the judicial system

As painful as it will be, the courts need to uphold the law

I've never had faith in government nor trust in it. I would be a fool to do so. I would lose faith in the judicial system if they ruled these changes are unconstitutional but the results stemming from the unconstitutional changes is still acceptable. That's not how things work.

That shouldn't be how things work in the judicial system. It's basically acknowledging the error but turning a blind eye towards it and not fixing it

A lawsuit was filed, Governor rammed through the changes before the hearings/procedures were followed, and now it's biting them in the ass

So the governor accepted the changes, procedures weren't followed, lawsuit is now filed, and it's biting them in the ass. Had my order wrong

Fair points. A timeline of when the most recent easing of standards was applied and when the primaries took place would help clarify the latter of your points. It could be that the primaries weren't as important as the general election is.

I get that

You do know that just because it came from the party that pushed for it doesn't mean it was legal

It still needs settled and remedied.

you're missing the other parts required to certify the amendment. It isn't just "two hearing" needed.

That statute makes it seem that this amendment wouldn't take effect until the 2024 GE as the 2020 GE would have certified the amendment

Not electors. The State House and Senate. Unless they are the electors

shots fired hahahaha

I would say that the stopping point will be either be a SCOTUS decision on voting laws or absence thereof. All this "pain" that we are going through right now is because a core system that's been around for decades is finally getting questioned and scrutinized as any system should always be. It is terrible that society has evolved to a point where the events that have happened over the past 5 years (specifically the past 6 months) have become acceptable and even endorsed by both sides and laws being broken, circumvented, and subverted being celebrated as something good. And this election appears to be the catalyst igniting the fuel that's been building up over those years. it doesn't change the fact that the voting laws and system need to be regularly discussed about and questioned to maintain integrity and security of said subjects.

Revert back to an analog system, do all voting and counting by paper, verify signatures on votes, Voter ID to assure watchers you are who you are, and uniform vote laws across all types of legitimate votes equally applicable to all types of legitimate votes

If you want to have reliable chain of custody then I would propose mandatory hourly logs like military watch standers have to fill out, If those aren't already in use.

Which is utter doodoo as the recoil resets the trigger mechanism which is completely different than a full-auto trigger mechanism.

Maybe a slow moving projectile with more ft/lbs of force? Only thing I can think of

@Maw I figured overpen would be common sense with a higher velocity and soft target

Well that's the real doodoo here

@Maw your thoughts on the 6.8 replacing the 5.56 for use in the military?

I have a 6.5 creed but not in AR-15 platform

Slightly bigger diameter. I remember some fellow vets saying it has good stopping power for the ranges they are typically in firefights in.

So no M855 Green Tip? Awww 😭

Well that's just a little expensive for me right now

I believe a normal .50 round goes for $5?

Progress and innovation is great...as long as it doesn't lead a reversal or regression of society (see Social Justice and Cancel Culture)

When it actively hurts society to the point that history gets omitted and/or rewritten to where it no longer is accurate, or oppresses people from enjoying the rights and freedoms given to them by their creators, that's not progress.

Long term gain? I recall this BS starting back before the 2016 race and I have yet to see any meaningful gain from the actions taken in its name. I've only seen destruction o removal. Of what? Well, basically anything that doesn't align with the forces behind the "progress" being made. This "short term pain" is not short term in the least. It has persisted since it started and has contributed nothing.

Ok. I need to see some evidence here. The argument isn't supporting the premise nor conclusion.

Came across this video last night and finally watched it earlier this morning. A pretty solid breakdown of the chain of events with some extra background information. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3IaFV_l2-k&bpctr=1607953168

He has some bias in the text in the vide between clips, some assumptions, and some bias that's easily noticeable, but I believe he was pretty fair and even-up in his breakdown.

No problem 🙂

he did handle himself well, which leads me to believe he had good, quality training. I believe there was a picture of his parents floating around when this happened and his parents looked well-equipped themselves.

I'm sorry but...wut?

@D EMC check out the video I posted a day or so ago documenting the Rittenhouse incident. If you cant find it then go to the V-Radio channel on youtube and search for the video.

I believe he laid a solid foundation for a self-defense argument. Esepcially when he revealed that Rosenbaum did have a weapon (chain) in his hands before that incident. That little bit is a nice background fact to the nature of one of those shot.

Repeal Citizens United?

Eliminate big corporation money donations or lobbysists?

I'm not against that at all. One solution of many

Or a max of 6 or 8 years? Consecutive or not. Hell, even max of two terms.

The difference between the two is absolutely astounding. Yet Biden still managed to earn 80mil on votes showing that he's the most *popular* president in history (far surpassing Obama). Never mind the facts that he won less counties and didn't pull near as many supporters at his ralliesc(the ones that weren't capped at least). Should things keep going the way they are and he becomes the inaugurated president I won't see anything he says or does as having authority or legitimacy.

Probably one of the only good things to come from a Biden administration (I mean Obama 2.0) is the unified disgust and/or hate demonstrated to wards him from both right and left political factions

Fair. I'll have to clarify then. The majority of the progressives/populists from the left because Biden is basically going back to how things were (which they despised) and the populists/trumpers on the right who don't want someone so entwined with one of the near-peer global enemies of the US.

I would tend to agree but that's not the MO now is it? Especially after the sitting president was judged much more harshly (with significantly less dirty laundry) than the possible incoming one.

Is there missing punctuation here because I'm having a hard time deciphering if this is two statements or one?

I am misconstruing a point and attacking it as if that was the original intent? Where?

Better yet, how am I using the strawman fallacy?

Well, now I see who's making the actual strawman argument. The point I was making about "the majority" is that the progressives are not happy with what Biden is bringing in with his *possible* administration (not what he failed to achieve before this election) and that a majority or populists/trumpers on the right won't be happy with someone heavily entwined with a near-peer adversary. You happened to red-herring the point towards pre-term smear BS.

They are railing against their own party members, including fellow party members who are also progressive. BLM is now turning on Biden because, like typical democrat campaign strategy, use the minorities to bolster your votes. A federal investigation into his child, who was flown over to China on government property for personal purposes, is kicking up more even though issues surrounding his family go back longer than the laptop reveal. Not to mention the transition team members being big tech people and big business people, including a fair amount of former Obama administration members. This guy has nothing surrounding him that builds up confidence other than *hAhA oRaNgE mAn BaD hE lOsT*

Market-skeptic? That's a new term. What's it mean?

Oh. Well of course I know them, they're me haha

I didn't know that's what they were called

Well then they aren't me

I prefer minimal regulation.

A fair or heavily regulated system also favors powerful interests by reducing the chance for start-ups to achieve a stable and competitive level

Minimal regulations would be those that only cover what is necessary for safe and proper function. OSHA regs? Need those. FDA regs? could be thinned down but still need those.

The Great Reset right?

Well damn. Straight to a big ol' "F" you

Bring this on over to General channel and you'll get an answer. Or multiple answers

you're right. The Right needs someone who's just as *radical* or *progressive* as "the crew" that's on the Left. You want Universal Healthcare? Then give us Universal Gun Ownership.

Bring back the days of yore where axes and shields and swords and spears of all manners were found on the battlefields. Lets harken back to our ancestors! (complete sarcasm btw haha).

That's becoming a sad truth because demonstrating peacefully or demonstrating a show of force without being violent isn't near as effective as have violent riots and protests by Antifa and BLM these past few years.

Point-by-Point; Police reform is not the duty of Federal Government. You wanna bitch about doors getting shut, look to local and state level representatives. Also, nowhere near as many people as have been portrayed by media have died by cops, and although I'm not a fan of the immunity cops have when "in the line of duty", a large amount of those incidents were found to be justified.

Next; Yes large protests can be or have been hijacked by certain elements that are out to do bad things. You can pick out those groups in the protests where it happens. However, when you "protest" and the intent immediately turns into vandalizing, burning, damaging, and destroying other's personal property (think Kenosha), there is no excuse nor is there certain elements hijacking the protest.

Last; What Covid rules? As far as constitutions are concerned, these mandates and edicts are unconstitutional and unenforceable. People not following said "basic rules" are well within their right to not follow them as they aren't legitimate. And the GOP blocking aid money? Have you read what was in those aid packages? So much garbage that had nothing to do with actually providing aid to people affected by Covid.

That's true. Which is why there are methods to challenge those laws that justify what *we* would see as questionable.