I'm still open minded on this, but I'm like a bunch of people that have flown, seen curves

but I also know that what I saw was put into whatever framework i had

well I know that, but I think they were talking about more juicy conspiracy theory stuff

I'm thinking 3rd century is the birth of the roman catholic church

and the 18th century is the split from the catholic church

basically all the euro settler stock (settler was the best word i could find to encompass USA and RSA and AUS, don't shoot me)

basically all of that stock is breakaway from central control

Here's my thought for the day, I put it in general but this is a better spot. The catholic Eucharist is a satanic ritual put right into christianity at the beginning to corrupt and control it.

eating flesh and drinking blood just doesn't jive with me

when you say our blood what do you mean (asking, not EFF)

caucasians?

Ek's 'n bruin ou

😉

agreed

my history is a mystery anyway

My surname comes from an island in denmark, via some french village where the spelling changed

but I'm pretty sure most of my history is in the cape

haha

I'll start, bhagavad gita says that life is a series of moments between a subject and and object

think of it like a film strip and each frame has a subject and an object

when we started the scientific method we started measuring the object, and various people recorded their interations with objects, the common factors were noted and we had the scientific method of identifying objective reality

the scientists continued drilling down to find the ultimate objects that made up the world

all my take on what I understand from the various sources I mention

in the early 20th century quantum physicists realised that they can't measure an object without affecting it by virtue of the measurement

coming back to the point that life is not objects but a series of subject object connections

and science is the study of the object

spirituality/religion is the study of the subject

anyway, just wanted to flesh out what I think the subject/self/soul is in relation to science and religion

I like the golden rule, I find it easier to explain by describing its opposite

humans have the capacity for evil because they know what would feel terrible for themselves to experience and they can therefore do that to others. the golden rule is the opposite of torture/pure evil

quantum experiments have also confirmed that there is a group non material reality(holy spirit if you like) that generates our material reality in the same way that our immatterial thoughts generate our material electrical impulses in our brain https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/coming-to-grips-with-the-implications-of-quantum-mechanics/

thanks guys 😃 I enjoy chatting about this stuff

ja I think smaller groups are important, it's eternal september out there

good question, what is materialism?

I don't understand it, I always think that after I die I'll get to go through a library of life videos and watch my life and I always think, that's why it's not supposed to be easy, and why it would be horrible to be a prince for example(you'd have to do so much more to have a video worth watching)

you want a story with challenge overcome

although, now writing that I'm thinking what if it's a library of video games, and what if we're already there playing one now 💥

so does that mean that other entities are all NPCs?

or does the materialist believe themselves to be some sort of determanistic machine

or am I just confused

so the materialist believes that only they and a few others potentially are conscious

I've wondered that once or twice.....

it's crazy

friends that I know are intelligent are brainwashed

they are often materialistic in their spirituality, it is something outside to display for status(much like our SJWs)

I suppose that's why jesus was all about praying in secret

I sound like such a bible basher 😆

I think the vedic view is that there isn't a separation between sprit and thing, the spirit generates the thing from what I understand. but scientists have tried to pinpoint the thing, only to find smaller things ad infintum (eventually they will realise that they are willing smaller and smaller particles into existence)

there is no thing until a consciousness gives it its thingness - a rock is not a rock until a conscience separates it from being 'ground' or 'mountain' or 'planet earth' or the entirety of reality

lol

nice

@Sheamus I think the golden rule is true if you think about it for any amount of time, but what if there are other people with a different spiritual makeup that appear human ?

I've started doing audiobooks, highly recommended, less effort than reading and you can speed up speech to around the same speed as reading

also in light of 'journalism' nowadays and the propoganda in movies, books are still good

my friends annoy me the most, with their reasoning "but rob, you _can't_ say _that_"

giving the other debater benefit of the boubt in a debate instead of picking at semantics is an example of why the golden rule just makes things smoother

just noticing where the golden rule helps society. ebay by all acounts should have lasted a week, people pay, people run away with the money, but it didn't people trusted each other.

quite a few times I run into the idea that morality doesn't need a religious basis, or it does - what are your thoughts on that one?

where does that put us with psychopaths?

and bipolar women (ducks)

you see I think the verse here "Get rid of value and profit.
People will not steal
if they do not desire."

is so true

and the communists also believe it

but they come from a mindset of scarcity

whereas i see us producing so much 'stuff'(tools) that is good enough for purpose. I think in terms of value created using tools

I commented on EWC that the communists mustn't be shocked if no one stays to hear them play once they've stolen all the instruments from the orchestra

I have tons of computers but I can't give my knowledge to my domestic worker

so just giving 'stuff' has limited utility

what I'm saying is the only value is really the creative value

we have what we need(tool wise), the only things of value are not available on the market. Going back to the afterlife video library, you can't buy a video of Mozart without putting in the effort.

hmm, serving an idea is a really interesting point

have you guys read Crichton's critique on environmentalism?

I agree with you @Deejay from Earth but I also like the idea I read in The Eternities - Vedanta Treatise (A.Parthasarathy) - basically that there is a certain hygeine required for science, so we see scientists in clean laboratories practicing science, similarly sages need to undergo a cleaning process, but regular people can use the lessons learned by scientists in labs that they never see - in fact it is natural. He says that spiritual lessons are also for the non sages to use, even though they might only be discovered by sages

If you're going @Sheamus I'd like to leave with one last thought/post

going to copy the text if you guys don't mind, could find it easily online, the Crichton critique on environment, I think that all true religion fills the space within all humans with a personal god, and I believe that all of the SJW/neomarxists/ideologists try to fill the exact same spot with ideology

@Deejay from Earth I think the was we are evolving, eventually we will all have the choice to seek enlightenment and plug into the spirtual internet much like we have the ability to learn science and 3d print devices/build software/CRISPr

coming back to the critique on environmentalism, I think that the Neomarxists are trying to block our connection to the kingdom within, by putting an ideology in its place

http://dizerega.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Michael-Crichton-Critique-.pdf

communism is a highly sophisticated spiritual warfare weapon

what is kinism?

I think we need to reach people on the spiritual level

I've seen intelligent friends brainwashed, it's sad

but the spiritual needs to be shown to people in ways that they can understand

in vedantas book they say the different yogas were ways for different natured people to acheive enlightenment

so intellectuals need to be shown it intellectually

and emotional people need to be shown truth emotionally

in my mind science has explained religion and they align perfectly, the people that disagree are humanities students

spiritual people need to know god directly like you are advocating @Deejay from Earth

but some people in our societies are shamans and some are musicians and some are inventors and they all express god through their attention

I think that the mass of communists in south africa still have gogos that pay funeral cover for a big funeral because they believe in god

and I think that's the angle that needs to be worked in south africa

Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.

it is critical that we evolve spiritually

different types of people exist, some are messy, some are organised, some talk to god at night, some don't but we all have the potential to speak to god. Our purpose though is to live the life god intended, not to escape it.

The bhagavad gita starts with Arjuna(a great warrior) facing an army of his cousins and starting to wonder whether all the bloodshed is worth it... Krishna (his friend) arrives, reveals his true identity as Krishna and explains that Arjuna is a great warrior and that he _must_ fight and then proceeds to explain the nature of reality to Arjuna

you guys up for a debate on this?

thanks for the elaboration @Malcolm the Seceder

fair stance

I think group is more cultural than racial, and those thoughts are pretty default

@Deejay from Earth interesting, I like the idea of the Renaissance man being able to do a bit of everything, and certainly today you can be quite a prolific tinkerer in the material realm in mainstream society