@Tom_Servo Private companies are regulated by the market and don't require state regulation.

Give an example, @Tom_Servo

Facebook is protected by the state.

Everywhere.

Let's go back a few steps, to keep clarity.

"huge amounts of capital investment have made it impossible to disrupt the existing "production" means"

Where did the huge amount of investments come from? And why did they happen?

And why did they invest?

The answer is because it looked like a good investment because it is a good product.

So, now they get lots of investment and people go "no, we need to stop that because now they're too big".

No. Compete. Create a new product that will take it down.

Apple was almost bankrupt in the 90s. Microsoft had 93% of the computing market. Apple then found a new way into the market. Apple is now sniffing 1 trillion dollars in value.

Facebook has every right to censor him. It's not his platform.

I think it's absurd to censor Alex Jones because it makes him more famous.

Well, a private company should be able to do what it likes, in that sense.

I don't like it.

But it is what it is.

They've been speculating since Jan.

Everything has gone sideways since Jan, mostly.

Okay, so then at what point does Facebook lose its policy right?

@Roovdwalt That's exactly it. Mark is known to be a leftie and Obama buddy. He doesn't like anything "right wing". Google is in a similar position to him. They even fired a dude who said that women and men are different.

I'm still waiting for my Dec investment to return. 😂

It IS simple. The government has made it complicated.

The moment a company is in bed with the state, you no longer have capitalism / free market.

ouch

What's wrong with a company shaping society?

If people don't like it, then they can go elsewhere.

Like I said, keep things simple.

1. Is the company operating freely?
2. What state restrictions apply to the company?
3. Is competition hindrered?

It is only complicated if you willfully choose to ignore the simplicity.

Everything is about people. Once you understand human behaviour, it makes everything simpler.

I'd suggest reading some Hayek, Friedman, and Sowell.

If you argue that a company must be regulated by the state, then you must also explain how you arrived at the regulations and why you believe the state is the most efficient regulator. Based on, well, EVERYTHING, the state is a very inefficient regulator.

Example:

I smoke (I don't, actually). My wife doesn't want me to smoke. Which is more efficient:

1. She threatens not to have sex with me until I stop smoking.
2. The government increases sin tax on tobacoo.

You're right. It IS unhealthy. I've never said otherwise.

State funded healthcare shouldn't exist. Here is an example of the government making things complicated.

@Roovdwalt That's how the market works, yes. Exactly.

If you want healthcare, then you choose to pay for it. It should be voluntary. Problem is that it isn't. NHI will be forced onto everybody and then people will choose to still pay for private healthcare after that. It's compounding the matter and not very efficient. It's like paying a tax on top of a tax.

I'm anything but a communist. I support individual freedom. That means I support your freedom to do as you please. There's nothing remotely close to communism there.

I gave examples to highlight my point. I noted the problem with state healthcare, for example.

Let me make it even simpler.

I have a guitar. I want to sell it and somebody wants to buy it.

The trade can be as simple as that. But the state interferes in that trade by forcing itself into getting a cut of the sale. It then takes that cut to expand its own authority.

FB got big because the market liked it. Now that it's very big, suddenly it can't have a say over its own behaviour?

Facebook funds political parties. The fact that the state allows this is what starts making things complicated. This obviously affects Facebook's political influence later on. And this is an example something simple being turned into something complicated.

Well, Facebook is just a group of individuals, so obviously they have their own interests. They should fund out of their own, rather than on behalf of Facebook.

I see your point, but it's not very strong. You're not happy with FB's size and want them to be more regulated by the state, but can't clarify exactly what your criteria is.

@Tom_Servo FB only has influence over free speech on its own platform.

Also, free speech does not exist.

That's the first problem with the arguments around free speech.

People need to define it.

You aren't allowed to speak smack about my fiance in my home. Therefore, your free speech is curtailed.

You can't shout "bomb!" in a place. No free speech there either.

plane*

A business newspaper won't publish my cartoons about sports. No free speech there either.

A printer doesn't have to print your newspaper.

It's not your right to get their business.

Let them.

Like I said, it's not your right to get somebody's business.

Plenty.

That's why I'm not longer in the mainstream anymore. 😂

no longer*

I need to get back. I've done my quota of Discord for the week. haha

@Tom_Servo I know what you're saying. I speak better verbally. Watch my interview with Renaldo and you will see how I speak. I hate text.

Friends, please debate. This is why we are in this chat room. Remember that we're on the same side, albeit a few minor differences here and there.

We're like light going through a prism. We all slot into different beams of light, but all on the same side.

First two farms on the list have been approached by the ANC.

But apparently, there is no list.

Is SA becoming just another African failure story?

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These online handles get the better of me every time. 😂

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