She would have been a tragic president.

But let's get sad about Trump's guy talk in a locker room.

John Cleese is moving to the US, I think.

I don't agree.

Obama was willing - and did - increase human suffering.

Obama deported the most immigrants than any president before him.

He was also the first president in US history to serve 2 full terms at war.

Trump's dishonesty doesn't matter to me.

it doesn't matter to the markets either.

If that were true, then the markets would show it. They don't.

Markets are the best since 2014.

I'm not seeing actual data here, other than feelings.

I dislike him "because he's dishonest".

Nobody cares about that.

He's the first US president to help broker a deal with N Korea.

He's not nearly as useless as the media portray him.

Oh, right. I forgot about that. ha

Thing is, @Tom_Servo , most of your gripes are the same things we hear over and over. They're just feelings.

In other words, speculation.

So we're talking about something that might or might not happen.

I am no Trump fan, but I think he's superior to Clinton and the way he's derailed the media is poetry.

And @Tom_Servo , are you a market trader?

or an economist?

She would have tanked the economy ages ago.

@Tom_Servo Because you come off as the usual anti-Trump type with no data.

Your arguments have been around the way he talks about women, for example.

There's nothing wrong with the way he talks about women.

So @Tom_Servo , what exactly are you arguing?

@Tom_Servo that's an opinion.

False.

To say "bad leader" is a moral judgement. Moral judgements are subjective.

Millions will argue that he is a good leader.

Arguing over him being good or bad is silly.

You're using moral judgements - not facts.

This is a fact:

Has federal spending increased or decreased?

This is not a fact:

"He is a bad leader."

Great. Good for you. 😂

I like Trump and think he's doing a great job at annoying the media. That's my opinion.

58 million voted for him.

Arguing over him being a good or bad leader is hilariously stupid.

What do the markets say?

Let's go look.

"I don't like him because he's divisive."

Bush was divisive.

Because he headed up a party that was in opposition to another party.

If you are part of a party with views that differ from another, OF COURSE you will be divisive.

What's wrong with being divisive?

Helen Zille is divisive.

Welcome to politics, mate. 😃

That's why I oppose government.

I don't want to be led.

But Trump is a master troll, and that makes him fantastic.

Fantastic to witness.

A better discussion might be whether or not the economy is sinking due to his policies. The current evidence suggests that it isn't sinking at all.

I'm sure he is a bad leader in many respects.

Okay fine. He lies a lot.

Who cares if Zuma lied a lot. What matters is this.

Compared to this.

An honest politician is an oxymoron.

Zuma's first few years were actually very unstable.

The massive dip shows instability. After that was stable, yes.

Between 2009 and 2011 were unstable for the SA economy.

Therefore, his first few years were not "didnt look so bad either".

At the time, they were horrid.

China, same period as SA's massive dip.

It isn't. It's 2 years.

2 years is more than 0 years.

If it isn't important, then what number would you like to start at?

4 years?

8 years?

Mugabe killed his economy almost, literally, overnight.

If EWC goes ahead and our economy tanks, then are we still going to say "No, but you see, we need to wait until his first term is up before we can make any conclusions."

@Tom_Servo My apologies for my aggressive tone today.

Please feel free to share everywhere.

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This cartoon comes thanks to my brilliant patrons.

I love it when black Trump fans tell white anti-Trump folks to piss off. 😂

It was neck and neck.

One of the farms on the list has mineral deposits, which the government has been wanting for years. Of course, it's a fake list. The ANC said so.

https://www.environment.co.za/mining-2/supposed-fake-list-of-farms-to-be-expropriated-contains-one-very-prominent-name.html

For journalists and others who don't seem to understand the basics, it's been written out for you in colourful crayons.

@Robzombie The list is possibly incomplete, but it comes from the Dept Of Land Reform. That there is a list is the problem; not what's in the list.

He's onto us.

Savage.

Cartoon about that farm list.

There are secret groups currently being commissioned (as well as voluntary) to protect farms. And I'm not talking about random guys with guns. Those who believe farmers are on their own, are mistaken.

Of course, I could also be talking rubbish. *wink*

I used to think that centrist politics were noble and good, but I've since grown up.

I don't see the appeal in 50/50 in all things. I am in no way centrist about EWC. It is immoral and should be opposed.

@crazyBoer What about Zapiro?

I'm not sure what you're asking, @crazyBoer . He declined my invitation and I said I'd draw a cartoon about it. I've not done it yet, if that's what you're asking. I've been very busy with the farm list stuff.

Would you mind defining centrist?

I'm simply using the idea of centrist of being "in the middle". If I'm wrong, then I'm happy to use a different definition.

That's why I don't worry about left-right labels.

I support rhino horn trade. I support lifting of all prohibitions on drugs. Does that make me left or right? I don't care.

Just ground your worldview on a set of values and principles. Everything falls into place after that. It's far more honest too.

For me, most things are really that simple. Humans have a tendency to make stuff more complicated for no good reason.

Does me schnarfing a line of coke affect your life? No? Then come and persuade me not to do so. But don't use the state to come into my home at the expense of everybody else.

@Tom_Servo Yes, they should. But only if the market gave it to them. If they receive protection from the state, then no. The Guptas received state protection. Alex Jones is hated by the state.

The banks are only private in name. They're not actually private.

Collusion can happen in a free market, but it's hard to say since we don't have free markets in the free sense.

Monopolies can only exist when the state prvoides protection. Monopolies can't exist in a free market.