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2018-08-10 08:45:49 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

2018-08-10 15:50:53 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]

2018-08-10 15:51:10 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

@Jerm @AcidOverride You can link the Patreon page directly to Discord, and automatically assign a Patreon role to anyone with an active pledge

2018-08-11 10:02:13 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

2018-08-11 10:54:08 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Has anyone here read The Bell Curve?

2018-08-11 11:18:04 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

It's long 😂 It's an 800-page book published in 1994 which tries to describe the class structure in American society. Mostly it argues that intelligence is a major predictor of just about everything (income, occupation, family structure, criminal activity)

2018-08-11 11:18:52 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Racists, eugenicists and edgelords frequently cite the parts (out of context, obviously) about the IQ differences between race groups. Most recently, there was a guy given a 5-minute interview on NPR (Jason Kessler iirc) who quoted the book.

2018-08-11 11:19:11 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

I just got ahold of a copy and I'm scanning through it

2018-08-11 11:33:53 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

I'm reading it because of this

2018-08-11 11:33:54 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]

2018-08-11 11:34:14 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

The US media has lost their collective shit because NPR (public radio) gave a "platform" to this guy

2018-08-11 11:36:19 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

The core of the freakout was when Kessler quoted some of the results from The Bell Curve. Apparently, that was enough to issue trigger warnings before the broadcast and set the media landscape on fire

Nah, make it Christopher Walken

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@Ros If you get stuck on a complicated topic, let me know. One of my favourite pastimes is figuring out complicated ideas 👍

It's not work if you enjoy it 😉

2018-08-11 13:39:09 UTC [Nothing Left #whatevs]

2018-08-11 13:39:13 UTC [Nothing Left #whatevs]  

Official snack of the revolution

2018-08-11 15:53:37 UTC [Nothing Left #whatevs]

2018-08-11 16:07:12 UTC [Nothing Left #whatevs]  

Behind the scenes on a live Chinese product for mass surveillance - image and object classification, including matches against a (mock) police database.

2018-08-12 15:43:27 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

What we really need are photos - for people to go to these farms and small towns, photo-document the life they're living, and share that out

2018-08-12 15:43:45 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Make the cost of EWC visible in real terms - houses, families, children

2018-08-14 18:18:45 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Any proof of that @Robzombie ? Did people take photos or something? It's worth sharing on social media

2018-08-17 19:16:21 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Any thoughts?

2018-08-19 20:52:16 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]

2018-08-19 20:52:21 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

I mean technically

2018-08-19 20:52:27 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

That's not wrong

2018-08-19 20:52:30 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  


2018-08-20 08:46:36 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]

2018-08-20 08:46:51 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Registering a new political party requires 500 registered voters and a token registration fee

2018-08-20 08:51:02 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Contesting an election is a different story.

2018-08-20 08:51:24 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

The IEC requires a deposit, the amount varying based on how many wards, municipalities and metros you target

2018-08-20 08:51:34 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

To contest everything in SA will require a deposit of around R480'000

2018-08-20 08:51:44 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

If you win, your deposit's refunded. If not, tough luck.

2018-08-20 08:52:21 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

A single metro should be about R30k

2018-08-20 08:52:45 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Those prices are from the 2016 elections, but I haven't seen any announcements about a big change to these policies yet

2018-08-20 08:52:55 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

A lot of smaller parties are unhappy about these costs, obviously

2018-08-20 08:54:01 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

You can establish a brand, governance structure, constitution, and the operational framework long before you actually register at the IEC

2018-08-20 08:54:07 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

And you can use that structure to fundraise

2018-08-20 08:54:33 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

You'll probably get better ROI on using seed money to market and solicit further donations

2018-08-20 11:02:21 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

@Jerm I prefer not to use my real name in these forums, but yes, I'm already a patron

2018-08-20 11:04:11 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

I was Patron #25 I think

2018-08-20 14:16:53 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  


2018-08-20 14:17:07 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

This MiWay thing is going sideways fast

2018-08-20 19:40:08 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]

2018-08-20 19:50:02 UTC [Nothing Left #whatevs]

2018-08-20 20:31:54 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  


2018-08-20 20:32:33 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

That feeling when the leader of your anti-sexual-assault moral crusade paid 380k to cover up her sexual activities with a 17-year old

2018-08-20 20:32:47 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

It's been a bad week for #MeToo 😂

2018-08-20 20:33:58 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

twitter is much easier

2018-08-21 10:47:31 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  


2018-08-21 10:48:47 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

So Eusebius gives 3 examples of why white privilege is still a thing:

> Single-digit unemployment
> Less likely to be discriminated against when trying to find a home
> Presumption of competence when looking for a new job

2018-08-21 10:49:15 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

(Before he shat all over the call, tbh, I have to agree with Stephanie.)

2018-08-21 10:49:39 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

In all 3 examples he's applying identity politics, and defining white people by their race group, and not their individual situation

2018-08-21 10:50:17 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

It doesn't help an unemployed person to tell them "unemployment is so low in your group, you should be grateful". If they're unemployed, then to them, they're 100% unemployed and group stats don't change that.

2018-08-21 10:51:18 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Discrimination when finding a home: I've seen this in action myself, and it's still a real thing, but it's not nearly as widespread. The discrimination against white-owned businesses for government work is far more prevalent, far more damaging, and Matt called that out correctly.

2018-08-21 10:52:29 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Same with the presumption of competence. That's an inter-individual thing - you and the employer. Everybody taking a risk will want some assurance that their bet is not just money down the drain, and that shows in hiring practices. Black employers will prefer black employees that look/sound/speak/think like them. That's not a privilege thing, that's just how people operate.

2018-08-21 10:55:27 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

And then at 11:10 Stephanie loses the plot by telling the army-conscripted guy he didn't suffer

2018-08-22 07:28:29 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

The real issue is that people try using social media platforms as extensions of real-world conversations, when they really should be thinking more like publishers and brands

2018-08-22 07:28:53 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

I don't know what possessed Adam to make that video, but there was really no reason to do it, and then to upload it

2018-08-22 07:29:18 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

If he thought about the impact of his words for more than half a second he might have cut that piece out, and we'd not even know his name

2018-08-22 07:29:47 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

No, it's common sense

2018-08-22 07:29:52 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

It's one word. Just don't say the word.

2018-08-22 07:29:58 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

You can say a thousand other words that mean the same thing

2018-08-22 07:30:31 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

That's impossible nowadays @Tom_Servo

2018-08-22 07:30:38 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Anyone who doesn't like you for any reason will label you racist

2018-08-22 07:30:49 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

And you can't control what people say about you, but you *can* control what you say

2018-08-22 07:34:39 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Don't feed the trolls

2018-08-22 07:36:12 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Put it this way: As a white person, you get to keep your job, your family, your wealth (most of it, depending on how EWC goes), your culture and your identity, if you agree to just not use this one very specific word that 40 million people have decided is a word they don't want to hear

2018-08-22 07:36:14 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

I mean, I'm fine with that

2018-08-22 07:37:09 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

It's really the smallest possible concession to make, deciding to *not* use a racial slur

2018-08-22 07:37:43 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Even "negro" has some background to it (it's latin for "black", and you can argue on those lines it's not really a slur)

2018-08-22 07:37:47 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

But "kaffir" never meant anything good

2018-08-22 07:38:08 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

So just stop using it. Less space in your brain, less drama in your life

2018-08-22 07:39:49 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

So why didn't the k-word die with Mandela then?

2018-08-22 07:39:55 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

There were 10 years of things going relatively well in SA, for most people

2018-08-22 07:40:21 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

"Things are going badly now so I want to hang on to this word" ... why? What does it help?

2018-08-22 07:40:51 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Is it like Super Mario where every time you say it a coin falls from the sky? 😂

2018-08-22 07:41:04 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Or are you going to argue that the k-word is part of your culture/identity that is being eroded?

2018-08-22 07:41:21 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

If we stop setting bags of shit on fire, yes, it'll help

2018-08-22 07:41:53 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

So then say that and move on

2018-08-22 07:42:35 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Most of these mobs are just trolls. They're here to get a rise out of people - to make them upset and say even more stupid shit

2018-08-22 07:42:37 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  


2018-08-22 07:42:44 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

It's literally never going to be addressed. Not in our lifetimes.

2018-08-22 07:43:04 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

That, unfortunately, is the game we're in. We didn't get to pick the rules, but we *do* get to choose how we respond.

2018-08-22 07:45:07 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

It's not a one-time thing though

2018-08-22 07:45:17 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

For as long as there are people walking around who will do stupid shit, other people have to be around to deal with the mess

2018-08-22 07:45:39 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

There will be another 20 Adams in the next year, specially leading up to elections when the twitter mobs will do whatever they can to make noise

2018-08-22 07:48:03 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Yeah we could do with less of that @AcidOverride

2018-08-22 07:49:04 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Those aren't all the same thing

2018-08-22 07:49:15 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Refusing to say the k-word is not like giving the keys to your house to someone

2018-08-22 07:49:27 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

It's not even an admission of guilt, it's just the decent thing to do

2018-08-22 07:50:04 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Fight to the death for your land if you need to, but do it without saying this one single specific word that most people don't want to hear, and that doesn't need to be said in the first place

2018-08-22 07:51:59 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

None of that is a justification for your actions though

2018-08-22 07:52:02 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

"They raped so now I can rape"

2018-08-22 07:52:07 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Is that the hill you're going to die on?

2018-08-22 07:52:21 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

The entire point is to be a *better* person. To lead by example

2018-08-22 07:53:11 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  


2018-08-22 07:53:15 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

And it's not like you're giving anything up

2018-08-22 07:53:26 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

It's not like refusing to say/tolerate the k-word means you give up the right to vote, or own property

2018-08-22 07:53:40 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

No racial slur is integral to the functioning of society

2018-08-22 07:56:34 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

I'd rather challenge them on their ideas

2018-08-22 07:56:42 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

"Ok so you've taken the land and driven white people into the sea - now what?"

2018-08-22 07:57:35 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

All real problems, none of them helped by white people continuing to use the k-word

2018-08-22 07:57:49 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Why is it so important to you that you're allowed to say it @Rox ?

2018-08-22 07:59:14 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Bear the history in mind too. The Zulus lost the Anglo-Zulu war, were then systematically removed from their land, forced into menial labor with poor education, and were then liberated by the ANC - a party that has no ideas and no plan, and has just made things worse over the last 25 years

2018-08-22 07:59:27 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

From their point of view, whites still have everything *and* continue to use racial slurs

2018-08-22 07:59:34 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

I'd be mad, myself, if the situation were reversed

2018-08-22 08:00:16 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

It's even more maddening, I'm sure, that there's no word they can come up with for "white people" that's degrading

2018-08-22 08:01:22 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

And white people can address it right the fuck now by deciding to be conscious of the words they use

2018-08-22 08:01:25 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Or just one word in particular

2018-08-22 08:01:44 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

It's not going to solve everything, but it *is* a step in the right direction. One that should have been taken decades ago.

2018-08-22 08:03:29 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Really? 😂

2018-08-22 08:03:41 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

We're literally on a discord right now that exists because of that

2018-08-22 08:05:10 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Less than 20% of the country is on Twitter, and less than 5% are active

2018-08-22 08:05:18 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Don't take twitter trends as a reflection of what's actually happening

2018-08-22 08:05:32 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

The media machine loves sensationalist topics, they drive attention and sell ads

2018-08-22 08:06:24 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

If there were no white racists, there would be nothing to report

2018-08-22 08:06:33 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Yes, the game is unfair. Complaining about it won't change that fact.

2018-08-22 08:07:23 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Consider the context though

2018-08-22 08:07:43 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

They're not wrong when they point out that white people are 8% of the population but are disproportionately wealthy, better-educated, and have more opportunities

2018-08-22 08:07:50 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Now we're gonna complain because we don't like the news we see?

2018-08-22 08:08:48 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

If it bothers you, don't read it

2018-08-22 08:08:55 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

If you keep seeing racist shit on social media, maybe get off social media

2018-08-22 08:16:11 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Because there's 40 million of them and 5 million of us

2018-08-22 08:16:28 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

If the situation were reversed (like it is in the US), the majority would say whatever the fuck they wanted about the minority (and do)

2018-08-22 08:16:41 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

It sucks, it's unprincipled and unconstitutional, but that's the situation we're in

2018-08-22 08:17:31 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Unfortunately he's not god

2018-08-22 15:26:58 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

I think Cattle Baron pulled their contract with the business?

2018-08-22 15:27:16 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

So all at once, Adam has been fired, will lose his shares, and the company (who is innocent in this) is already losing contracts

2018-08-22 15:27:27 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  


2018-08-22 15:27:36 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Hopefully they re-engage when this blows over

2018-08-22 15:28:17 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

of course 🙄

2018-08-22 17:06:14 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

Worth noting the different responses - some people are apoplectic with outrage about the video, and some people are just mocking it

2018-08-22 17:06:21 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]  

I'd rather have the mocking honestly

2018-08-23 07:53:57 UTC [Nothing Left #pushback]

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