Liberals don’t like to debate...

I’d rather have him saw his drawing arm off that looks at his ridiculous left cartoons

Liberals don’t like debating because it allows their follows to hear another point of view...

@MikeyMike I second that

I am a Patron

Hahahhahahaha!

Most of what he says is out of context, if you look at the "Disabled guy" he mocked, he wasnt actually mocking him about a disability, and the way he waved his hands is something he does often and the media says it was aimed at the disabled guy (Many alternative news outlets have evidence of this).... I take a lot of it with a pinch of salt... Dont get me wrong, I dont agree with everything he does or stands for, but I would def vote for him.

There are hundreds of videos on youtube like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKcht0ApsDg

And with regards to locker room talk, Ill be frank and say that I dont know any straight male that has not had some sort of locker room talk. Anyway, what is important to note, and what I find myself doing all the time, is just looking an multiple views and debates on Trumps actions, and generally one of those views will resonate and make sense to me, and then I come up with my own interpretation. The amount of bull shit the media spreads is actually horrifying.

I feel like Trump is very calculated in the way he speaks and what he says. If you have read the art of the deal, a lot of it will make sense. Most may find it repulsive, but he does it for a reason and obviously it works.

@MikeyMike Wives can admit being wrong????

The best for me was election night, with all the media expecting Hillary to win, and the change from upbeat to lower than life expressions was classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G87UXIH8Lzo

@Dusty You have valid concerns, I think what matters, and what will get him in office again is more about what he is doing for the economy as well as his slogan on putting America first. Which must be a breath of fresh air for most people especially the people that have been struggling without work or who had no real access to the economy

How does the popular vote work here in SA? Even the people that vote for the ANC are suffering. The electoral system in the states has always been like that, cannot say it doesnt work once Trump is elected

I fully believe in Self Determination... The problem with it is that it can take a whole life time to happen, time that we do not have

In our country of course, much easier in a place like the US

@Jerm that is trolling level: 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

This was a great video released a year before the election and unbiased view on why Trumps charisma would win the election (May have been different if democrats didn't have Hillary on the ticket): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LibRNYJmZ-I

@Dusty We have all been there, and being open minded, as well as having free though allows us to to form our own conclusions not conclusions MSM want to enforce on us. Ultimately, it does not matter what our individual thoughts are, what does is that we can speak about it without holding back and have meaningful dialog. I also find myself floating between right and left, and don't like being categorized as "Right wing, Left Wing or even centralist" I just want to be me.

Enjoy!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1028844385834680321

@Tom_Servo agreed, but if we look at dishonesty, then Clinton surely reins supreme... That was the biggest mistake of the democrats, having Clinton on the ballot

She had way too many scandals surrounding her and pretty much lied everytime she actually needed to be honest

Yeah of course, but the debate was on the presidential election and why people are attracted to him, so it is still relevant. If he is being judged on his campaign promises, I would say, barring a few things, he is on track

When I see this I dont know if Politifact is liberal owned with its own Bias

I am always seeking the truth, but when I see such a difference between democrats and republicans on a website, I question what is not being told.

Its the first time I have seen the site, so please excuse my ignorance, I am just pointing out on first impressions

I am not radical leftist, I dont take offense 😃

Its still difficult to know what is true and false, I know that Poynter is funded by George Soros, as are many fact checking companies

@Robzombie I saw that earlier today, was def interesting

At the end of the day, if he is "Making America Great Again" what more do the people want

She also wanted some fun in the Oval room like Bill did

Its illogical to NOT want a wall... or barrier, or fence.... regardless of its make up

Thats why I believe the election failed so badly for the democrats... People are tired of the Clintons...

I think if Sanders was on the ticket, the race could have been different

"If Trump wins I am moving to another country" - Only heard of Madonna moving so far... Cant be that bad in the States

Hahahaha

Well there you have it

US Markets are looking good though

@freeplasma_africa can you substantiate?

Ill be honest, I dont know much about US economics, but if recession comes, then he will be to blame.

@freeplasma_africa so its just a waiting game then? I would have been scared of a Clinton America

I like Trump because he is not afraid to speak and is not PC... That is being fearless in my opinion

We should all end our comments with "in my opinion"

To be honest, all leaders are divisive

The pot needs to be stirred to ensure the food doesnt get burnt

This is why I am not an economist... Of course being a leader is subjective, but obviously he is doing something right... The average American is surely benefiting from this. Strong growth means more money in the pockets and more spending. If these numbers continue, no doubt he should get another term... Decreasing socialist policies will also have a positive effect on the economy.

corruption is like a circle, whether it is big or small, it is still 360 degrees...

Yeah Stability, but no growth

Well Zumas presidency started on the axing of Mbeki, so of course there would be some turmoil

We should have the best idea when his first Term is concluded

Yeah! But US and Trump are smarter than that, I think it would take time to see the affects on US markets.

He has already captured the state! He is president 😃

This would be so much easier if we could just take Trump out for a beer.... oh wait, he doesnt drink... a coffee then

@Tom_Servo something we agree on

Because FREEDOM....

I said earlier that I dont fit in a box and I hate it when someone says I fall on a particular part of the political line.. I just want to be in my box, my own unique box, I dont care how many boxes surround me... and thats why ultimately, government in general is a bad thing, governments should be small and allow the private market to sort out social and economic issues....

While governments will survive if they dont effect change, private markets lively hood is affected if they dont take responsibility... the private market always has the bigger risk therefor ensuring the survival of it through innovation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCmccvi3Ew8 Video from Styxhexenhammer666
On EWC

No Farmer is going to willingly give their land away, they will destroy their properties before handing it over

I saw that as well, there as always a deeper agenda

Regardless, it is going to benefit people other than the farmers... and then these thieves get it for free

It is rather satisfying

"Land is for the people","We have a list of farms", "That list is fake, we dont have a list"

hahahhahahhahahah

classic

@Jerm You and Lionel seem to have the same reasons to like Trump, worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkFUqkWXDk4

Great chat between @Willem Petzer and Ernst

What is should read, "There is an interesting band of brothers emerging here that I do not agree with, on Twitter, and in real life. Very vocal in their ways and says. Full of fire. Not unlinked to the “liberal” fightback in the DA. I will write about it soon."

"I will write about it soon", like is writing has some sort of magical power

At least he has a friend

@Robzombie seen it countless times, nothing new, thinks anyone who does not agree with them are "Alt-Right"

Its same shit different day. They are just a little bit more radical than most.

Yeah "Suicide"....

https://www.fin24.com/Markets/Currencies/rand-plunges-on-renewed-land-reform-rumours-moodys-warning-20180815 Economics....

@AcidOverride I agree

The article says "One of the ways EWC could be implemented".... What he is saying is that this is one of the ideas on EWC and not set in stone

@Tom_Servo At some point the balloon has to pop... I think people are reaching that point where they have no other way to turn to. War is realistic in my opinion, however, when you look at the numbers, can a minority really make a real difference in a war? Lastly, People tent to really have an impact when their backs are against the wall and when you are fighting for your survival, you have a purpose and with purpose comes determination.

But those who do start a war will be labelled terrorists

@Robzombie exactly, and that is why I say determination plays a big factor in any war

I also believe Farmers are smarter and can outwit our useless military

@Tom_Servo I disagree on support, I think they would get support. I am optimistic enough to believe some governments around the globe will come to their senses, maybe not immediately, but soon enough.

From an outgunned perspective, I agree, but "n Boer maak n plan"

That is why I am an advocate for Firearms, we should all have them and we should be stocking them up... and on the plus side, we can do this legally and by doing it legally, it also means we are doing the correct training as well

@Rendier you should be able to mute the channel for yourself on the top right corner

@Rendier Some of us prefer the notifications on some channels, Maybe we should "Pin" a message to let everyone know how to disable notifications if it is bothering them

How to Mute channels on Discord: https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/209791877-How-do-I-mute-and-disable-notifications-for-specific-channels-

No-one debates anymore, and the ones that do don't have real power

@Andre , don't you hate that?

wow, that is a tough question

Well I am emphatically saying, there is none. The scale is always tilted one way or another. Especially with the introduction, growth and popularity of far right and far left, this my my opinion of course. But I do not think I am qualified to answer this 😂

@AcidOverride that is true!!!

@Tom_Servo I think there are many on the center, but again, "personalities or parties represent the center in SA or global politics" I am not sure, as all I know are still leaning one way or another. How do we define center? Could also be someone that Agrees with BEE but also agrees with Trump? it a weird pendulum and difficult to define

For me there are things on the left that I support as well as the right. That is why I hate the scale, maybe one way to define it is to have a set of values for the center? But again, it is one of those things that no one can ultimately stand for every center value... I agree that it is a grey area.

@Tom_Servo I agree, and it is still tricky to me. We want private companies to have their own voice, but we don't want them to have the only voice.

or colluding with each other which restricts free market

I am against regulating private companies, I do not want to stop innovation. But I agree that power can get to their heads and if there is a way to have them free without them colluding, I am all ears.

My problem is that you cannot regulate "Bias", because we all have them, you like green I like blue, who decides which is right? If Facebook is left leaning, we cannot control that and we shouldn't be regulating them "to not be left leaning" what we should have is an honest mission from Facebook, describing their values and being open about it. If that is the case, people like Alex Jones knows the platform is not for them. Facebook should NOT be able to come after years of you being on the platform and say, sorry, we have changed and you are no longer welcome here.

My problem with the Alex Jones issue is that all these platform colluded to get him out, I have no problem with him being banned though, but the fact that it was some secret agreement between all these players who frankly should not be concerned about what other platforms are doing.

@Tom_Servo I agree that they are shaping society. At the end of the day that doesnt matter, because we all as individuals have a choice to be on that platform or not. There are alternatives (Maybe not popular) but at the end of the day we have a choice to be on or even contribute to these platforms

Gab?

https://gab.ai/

They are up again because they went to someone that would help them... free market

There is always an alternative in my opinion.

It is complicated, you are right

but not impossible

State and regulation shouldnt be in the same sentence

because again, is blue right or is green right... and I dont want the state to decide that

I agree it is not ideal, but it does open new avenues like Gab... The people will move when they cannot be heard and their followers will follow

Facebook having the right to choose who gets kicked as opposed to being told who to kick are two very different political spectrums

@Tom_Servo I dont think there is an example of a pure free market (Not on a big scale anyway)

They should have the freedom to a political view, but I think they should then be outspoken about it

Again it comes down to choices and our little negotiations in our heads , do I use Facebook or Gab? Facebook gives me reach, but Gab gives me political freedom... We make these choices as individuals and most prefer reach to political freedom for some strange reason

@Jerm, I agree, you will chase someone out your home and that is your right, but you should not be able to fine/arrest someone for offending your fiance

I forgot what it feels like to work since discord

If I didnt know any better I would think you gents were quoting the Kamasutra

"Total turn around", "its going down", "very strong choke hold","im expecting","momentum","shoulder being formed".... hahaha

hahahaha

It is! To be honest, like Jerm said in a tweet earlier, the freemarket will punish speech

🤢

Just cancellations going on with MiWay

This headline from Maroela Media is great: https://maroelamedia.co.za/debat/meningsvormers/miway-baas-klap-afrikaners-en-toe-klap-hulle-terug/

It was just a matter of time

Imagine they spent their time and money on real movements

and "mainstream"

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1031804902891110400

@MikeyMike , this is becoming so mainstream, its hardly cringe worthy anymore.

I doubt they are referring to the "pee hole" though hahaha... They are making this the new normal, at this rate, I do not want to know what the abnormal will be

I am sure we are not in the minority though

EFF are a bunch of clowns

@MikeyMike they do have enough followers, don;t get me wrong, I don't under estimate them...

Thats why we should prepare for their revolution, by arming ourselves

They are savages!!! We should be teaching our wives and children how to defend themselves with firearms... They need to become comfortable with it and know how to use them safely and efficiently

The best would be to head to the Northern Cape, away from the non sense if something goes down.... we are only strong in numbers

If my life or my family is in danger, I RAM who ever is in my way, at that point human life comes second to my life

Many people are getting tired, from both sides and at some point either side will boil over

No idea, but pretty sure the guptas are involved

@Tom_Servo I agree, EFF and BLF get excited when things like this happen. It just goes to show that we need to be careful and think before we speak, especially on camera. There is no reason to use the K word and if we want to be taken seriously, we need to be the bigger person and not do a tit for tat with racists like EFF and BLF

It is a double standard, but why give the EFF and BLF more ammo against us? It is stupid

@Rox you are right, definitely a double standard. But like @lambdalizard 🌈🐲 said, we can control what we say and say the same thing without using a word we know will start a pushback

We will always have fewer voices, we are a minority. We should speak up on racism but in the same breath understand that we have no control over what people say and do... as a side note, any speech that offends, just shows how weak people are in themselves. If you are offended by someones words, or a word, you should be able to brush it off, how can words/word have so much power over you?

tuned in