yes it is

taxation is theft

Taxation, by definition is theft

@SOTGOR we're talking about objective ethics

@Fitzydog would you like a tissue?

@SOTGOR If I put a gun to your head and demand money, is that not theft?

what if I offer you a chocolate bar and demand you pay money for it

and demand you make that exchange

is that not theft?

would it not at least be violent?

if I break into your house, clean your dishes and then empty out your change jar, I'm not a theft?

@SOTGOR define theft

what is stealing?

I just want you guys to agree that the government is a violent gang

that is all

Where is my signature on the social contract?

show me photographic evidence of it

I didn't consent to being here, and the property I live on is bought by me.

why should I be forced to leave my land?

I own it

I am forced under threat of violence to pay taxes

how is that different from being threatened by a gang who "owns" territory in a city?

Anarcho Capitalism

it's still internally consistent

the most internally consistent society envisioned

I, Ideally, believe that no-one should be made to do something under threat of violence.

@SOTGOR so we shouldn't try to do things to make everyone better?

the best nations on earth are ones where less government is involved in things

Anarcho Capitalists expect heirarchy

I'm not against Hierarchy

provided it's voluntary

I'm a minarchist

If I was king of the world, I'd roll back government to the minimal involvement possible

if that turned out to be 0, it would be 0

I think, pragmatically, government might be neccesary

but it has to be as small as possible

and I won't deny that it is a violent gang

@SOTGOR I have paid taxes

so yes

@SOTGOR it's a statement of fact, no more no less

because it's true?

I like saying true things

God doesn't exist, is also true

but do you agree it's the truth or not?

Well the first one, but you can argue the second one, as well, if you choose.

but if you set asside the pragmatic argument

would you agree that taxation is theft?

because I think any appropriation of property without consent is theft.

but people don't consent to taxation

But you can't murder someone without running into their right to own their own life

therefore murder is inherently wrong

I would say speeding laws are inherently unethical to some degree

I guess you could say knowingly putting someone's life at risk is an unethical thing to do

well I'd say the government had no right to use my money to build that road

it's not the government's property either

all of the government's land and property was stolen

yes it was, most nations arbitrarily draw up lines on the map

if I draw a line on a map around your property and write "mine" on it, does that make it mine?

if I then proceed to evict you from that house with threats of violence, does it become mine?

well presumably, a company that builds roads would want people to drive on them, in order to make money back on their investment

why can't all roads be toll roads?

it's voluntary, at least

so it is

@GloriousLaserChicken I can argue from a pragmatic standpoint, you might be right

but from an ethical standpoint, that might be their right

but I am of the opinion that most people aren't that backwardsly non-compliant

sure

provided everyone paying for it volunteered to do it

but I can't not pay for the road

because the government forces me to pay taxes

so you're asking for a definition?

what format would you like the answer

?

@SOTGOR I'm just going to take that statement as an admission that I'm right and proceed to do a victory dance

I see taxation as evil

and I see no reason to increase that evil as much as strictly neccesary

why I'm a minarchist

sorta

A minarchist believes the government should reduced to the smallest degree possible

and I also think so because the most propserous nations are ones with the lowest government involvement

I'm a libertarian right winger

I really don't care what other people do, as long as they leave me alone

they can even have pinapple on pizza

I'm more of an ancap agnostic

I'm not sure if ancap will work

but I'm not convinced it won't either

Trade wars and protectionism are retarded

change my mind

It's one of the things I dislike about trump

"anti-fa aren't fascists"

not sure about that

or at least I'm not sure there is a significant difference between Fascism and Communism.

the both of them will be wearing the outside of a flying helicopter the moment they start talking about taking my property

It's wrong to be upset about commies?

if it is, I don't want to be right

@dodo.sh but if a country is out competing you in one way, why should the government support you

do what you do best

not what you suck at

Protectionism helps no-one

is that yours Franken?