I think, pragmatically, government might be neccesary

but it has to be as small as possible

and I won't deny that it is a violent gang

what nation do you live in?

australia

lol

have you ever experienced violence at the hand of a representative of australia?

ppl in vc is on a roll

@AiarUther even still the argument that taxation is theft is mute if there is no goal behind making it

@SOTGOR I have paid taxes

so yes

#NoLivesMatter

@AiarUther have you ever driven on roads?

@SOTGOR it's a statement of fact, no more no less

but there is a reason you are making it, why?

because it's true?

I like saying true things

truth is meaningless with lack of purpose

God doesn't exist, is also true

what is truth? if it is not to have an impact?

but do you agree it's the truth or not?

which taxation is theft or god doesnt exist?

i assume the first one

Well the first one, but you can argue the second one, as well, if you choose.

well i would rather enjoy that, but yes i agree with the first premise tentatively, i do not belive it is enough to argue against the pragmatic arguement

but if you set asside the pragmatic argument

would you agree that taxation is theft?

yes ignoring that context

because I think any appropriation of property without consent is theft.

important point is consent

i agree to an extent

but people don't consent to taxation

they don't consent to murder laws either

But you can't murder someone without running into their right to own their own life

nor do people consent to laws against speeding

therefore murder is inherently wrong

that doesnt affect anyones rights

I would say speeding laws are inherently unethical to some degree

I would disagree and agree to some ammount

I see the argument for both on speeding

I guess you could say knowingly putting someone's life at risk is an unethical thing to do