The infrastructure sure but the land itself wasn’t

yes it was, most nations arbitrarily draw up lines on the map

if I draw a line on a map around your property and write "mine" on it, does that make it mine?

if I then proceed to evict you from that house with threats of violence, does it become mine?

Even if it isn’t the governments property it is someone’s besides yourself so are you not trespassing every time you drive

well presumably, a company that builds roads would want people to drive on them, in order to make money back on their investment

Ok fair enough for toll roads but most aren’t toll roads

why can't all roads be toll roads?

If you account for gas tax, technically they are.

Is that different from taxation?

Well it is

it's voluntary, at least

so it is

It is more usury

because then some private citizen could hold critical transportation infrastructure hostage and harm national security @AiarUther

Verne it isn’t usery

What is Verne

Vexenx

Autocorrect

My bad

@GloriousLaserChicken I can argue from a pragmatic standpoint, you might be right

ahh kk

but from an ethical standpoint, that might be their right

but I am of the opinion that most people aren't that backwardsly non-compliant

So if a group of people collectively decide to pay for a road with an agreement that they can all use it freely, is that ethical?

sure

is this not what the government does?

provided everyone paying for it volunteered to do it

but I can't not pay for the road

Well if moving from a strong liberal democracy to a weak anarchist society allows people to commit crimes unchecked endangering the common man is that not unethical

because the government forces me to pay taxes

You didn't answer my earlier question @AiarUther

What is the government?

so you're asking for a definition?

I'm asking what you think the government is, I suppose

not necessarily a dictionary definition of "government"

what format would you like the answer

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@AiarUther lacking a viable alternative to the government your arguments are mute

however you like

I just want to know how you understand what the government is, if that makes sense