The most rudimentary would be one that protects it citizens for some level of prosperity.

@Fitzydog can this government exist without taxation?

even the most simple?

Yes, but how successful would it be?

How long would it last?

Yes it's completely voluntary, it's just the 'main' group of 'border guards'

Imagine my Locke

Where's the violence against those who are ruled?

As long as there was no dissent in the internal structure itself, it could last, but that would potentially have to be protected...

the most rudimentary form of governments only purpose is to protect the rights of its citzenry

"ruled"

@VexenX I'm not speaking pragmatically

@SOTGOR but still they need to fund themselves

usually through taxes

and taxation is theft

wrong

yes it is

y

taxation is theft

@AiarUther Why? Every man brings what he can, if he wants

pragmatism is the important principle here

Taxation, by definition is theft

The violence can be debated and broken down thusly... person A wants person B to do something that person B doesn't want to do. Person A has (over simplified) two choices, consequences for the disobedience or ignore it.

@SOTGOR we're talking about objective ethics

If they want to push their ideology on this one person, or group of people, at some point it comes to forcing them.

Yeah, see, I'm done. I can't even form a proper argument without being interuppted

It's text

No one is stopping you from typing. XD

@Fitzydog would you like a tissue?

@airuther taxation is only theft if its uses do not go to the principle goal of protecting the citizens rights

lol we're not even all having the same discussion

Sometimes that happens.

@SOTGOR If I put a gun to your head and demand money, is that not theft?

yes

v actually me with a snapchat filter, circa 2016

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