Message from @Sheamus
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~Lao Tzu
Lol traditional and a modern update to it
you see I think the verse here "Get rid of value and profit.
People will not steal
if they do not desire."
is so true
and the communists also believe it
but they come from a mindset of scarcity
And that scarcity mind set is a huge problem
I disagree with some of that though, value is needed... But it probably refers to material value.
whereas i see us producing so much 'stuff'(tools) that is good enough for purpose. I think in terms of value created using tools
Value is only needed in a materialist world.
Exactly, there's value that's needed... It's not material though. Which was my point
I commented on EWC that the communists mustn't be shocked if no one stays to hear them play once they've stolen all the instruments from the orchestra
I have tons of computers but I can't give my knowledge to my domestic worker
No, you value good as opposed to evil don't you?
so just giving 'stuff' has limited utility
what I'm saying is the only value is really the creative value
To be spiritual, and to become the definition of spirituality, you have to reject the material world. Not just through fasting. You actually, literally have to start getting rid of your shit. We do not get possessed by demons, we are possessed by our own possessions.
Your mind keeps track of every single penny you have. Every single thing you say and do. Everything you own. And how much you value it.
we have what we need(tool wise), the only things of value are not available on the market. Going back to the afterlife video library, you can't buy a video of Mozart without putting in the effort.
Yeah but I'll have to bring up last nights argument again on ideology. These are all ideas, and ideas aren't inherently bad, you can't say you have NO IDEA what truth or reason is. You need an idea, and serving an idea you know to be good is not the same as being deceptively enslaved by an idea that's bad.
hmm, serving an idea is a really interesting point
have you guys read Crichton's critique on environmentalism?
When you start letting go of the material world - by eating less and doing less - your mind will start waking up.
I fast two to four days a week.
Why not just fast intermittently, you still get into ketosis that way and it's much more reasonable since it offers more consistency, as opposed to the chaotic interruptions you cause your body with the heavy start and stop
There is a scientifically-provable entirely physiological process that starts when you start fasting.
Imagine the human mind is like a giant one million port Gigabit Network Switch.
Every cent you have have takes up a port.
Every single thing you own is plugged in.
Even your next planned holiday is taking up a few ports already.
I agree with you @Deejay from Earth but I also like the idea I read in The Eternities - Vedanta Treatise (A.Parthasarathy) - basically that there is a certain hygeine required for science, so we see scientists in clean laboratories practicing science, similarly sages need to undergo a cleaning process, but regular people can use the lessons learned by scientists in labs that they never see - in fact it is natural. He says that spiritual lessons are also for the non sages to use, even though they might only be discovered by sages
My battery is almost kaput, still haven't all agreed on how we define what's reasonable. Rob you are on board with the golden rule yeah? And what about you Deejay?
What I'm trying to say is, when you start unplugging from the material world, and if you fast diligently, you start going to the kingdom of God.
In my view, the Kingdom of God is the same place as the spiritual place where we get our answers from.
Yes i know that... You trying to convince me?
going to copy the text if you guys don't mind, could find it easily online, the Crichton critique on environment, I think that all true religion fills the space within all humans with a personal god, and I believe that all of the SJW/neomarxists/ideologists try to fill the exact same spot with ideology
Agreed with that too on the spiritual realm. As above, so below, as within, so without. Inside and all around us, omniscient and omnipotent
It's very real. Jesus did it. Lao Tzu did it. I think Bruce Lee as well - that physique is because of fasting as well. Zen and Jesus is the same thing
@Deejay from Earth I think the was we are evolving, eventually we will all have the choice to seek enlightenment and plug into the spirtual internet much like we have the ability to learn science and 3d print devices/build software/CRISPr