Dionysus

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2018-12-24 19:57:26 UTC [Subverse #new-member-alert]  

2018-12-24 19:57:40 UTC [Subverse #bot-commands]  

!agree

2018-12-24 20:05:14 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

thats cuz u define lib as classical lib

2018-12-24 20:05:26 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

when its used to mean the left in general

2018-12-24 20:05:34 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

which can be authoritarian or libertarian

2018-12-24 20:06:20 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

muricans use liberals to mean leftists tho

2018-12-24 20:06:39 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

and left can be either

2018-12-24 20:06:46 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

A or L

2018-12-24 20:07:59 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

yes

2018-12-24 20:08:12 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

but

2018-12-24 20:08:26 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

liberal itself is increasingly used to mean leftists in general

2018-12-24 20:08:33 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

colloqially

2018-12-24 20:08:36 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

even tho its wrong

2018-12-24 20:08:38 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

technically

2018-12-24 20:09:26 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

nowadays, you can't just say you're liberal
you'll have to qualify that with classical liberal or centre-left

2018-12-24 20:09:34 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

cuz liberal itself is kinda tarnished

2018-12-24 20:09:36 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

and useless

2018-12-24 20:10:47 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

I know

2018-12-24 20:11:29 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

they belong to the progressive camp

2018-12-24 20:11:42 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

which is also where stuff like intersectionalism belongs

2018-12-24 20:12:27 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

I recently read an interesting piece about how many ppl support socialism, marxism etc just as a way of rebelling

2018-12-24 20:13:17 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

in europe, you've got social democrats

2018-12-24 20:13:31 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

who are capitalistic as fuck, but tax income to maintain welfare state

2018-12-24 20:13:40 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

so is that socialist or capitalist

2018-12-24 20:13:45 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

both

2018-12-24 20:13:57 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

Yurp breaks the left-right dichotomy

2018-12-24 20:14:10 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

nah

2018-12-24 20:14:23 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

they have some of the best environments for businesses

2018-12-24 20:14:26 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

but

2018-12-24 20:14:34 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

they tax income to maintain welfare state

2018-12-24 20:14:45 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

they don't have crony cap tho

2018-12-24 20:15:06 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

they rank top of best places to do business every year

2018-12-24 20:15:16 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

even above the US

2018-12-24 20:15:46 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

whats your country, btw

2018-12-24 20:15:55 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

ok

2018-12-24 20:16:05 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

i heard spain has a socialist govt currently

2018-12-24 20:16:19 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

damn

2018-12-24 20:16:22 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

das lit

2018-12-24 20:16:42 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

do you like it there

2018-12-24 20:17:22 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

do you get benefits until you find work

2018-12-24 20:20:01 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

nice

2018-12-24 20:31:28 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

its sad how breakdown of the family in the west

2018-12-24 20:31:37 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

only pushes it further towards a bigger welfare state

2018-12-24 20:32:07 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

in asian countries, life's setbacks can be absorbed by the family

2018-12-24 20:32:46 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

but will be interesting to see if that remains

2018-12-24 20:35:06 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

in asia, family based savings is a huge market
served by multiple financial companies

2018-12-24 20:35:21 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

to be used in times of emergencies including health

2018-12-24 20:35:38 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

in the west, its a huge clusterfuck with the whole nationalized health insurance

2018-12-24 20:36:22 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

and ppl are again and again coming up with the same solutions like - nationalized education, nationalized healthcare

2018-12-24 20:36:47 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

basically renaming it to - free education and free healthcare

2018-12-24 20:37:03 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

sad shit really

2018-12-24 20:37:28 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

I'm kinda glad that we had to make do with market solutions because our governments couldn't come up with even bad solutions

2018-12-24 20:37:57 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

nice

2018-12-24 20:38:16 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

Swiss seems to have figured many things out

2018-12-24 20:38:47 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

but their solutions might not necessarily scale

2018-12-24 20:45:02 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

I still think that govt paid education is exactly the wrong way to deal with college debt

2018-12-24 20:45:31 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

increase in administrators and other kind of fat is what is increasing tuition fees

2018-12-24 20:45:39 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

if govt swoops in and pays for it

2018-12-24 20:45:45 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

there's no incentive to curb that

2018-12-24 20:45:50 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

inefficiency

2018-12-24 20:46:55 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

similar case for healthcare

2018-12-24 20:47:32 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

no incentive to cut down on waste and thereby cost by competing for customers directly

2018-12-24 20:47:37 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

if govt pays for it all

2018-12-24 22:32:48 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

fuck barkley

2018-12-24 22:33:34 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

and fuck diversity

2018-12-24 22:35:30 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

charles cuckley

2018-12-24 22:36:35 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

nobody thought that tho

2018-12-24 22:36:52 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

only when it comes to gettin puss

2018-12-24 22:38:00 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

so wat

2018-12-24 22:38:06 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

youtubers are entertainers too

2018-12-24 22:38:25 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

but if they didn't exist, engineers at YT would be out of a job

2018-12-24 22:38:31 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

its an interdependent ecosystem

2018-12-24 22:38:39 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

think about movies

2018-12-24 22:38:47 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

so much tech and engineering involved in that

2018-12-24 22:38:55 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

and yet its just 'entertainment'

2018-12-24 22:39:11 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

because guess what, even the most analytical mind has to make things for humans

2018-12-24 22:39:20 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

or not make money at all

2018-12-24 22:40:49 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

who are they serving, common people again
just like engineers and entertainers

2019-01-01 07:15:41 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

Drumpity Blumpf has done a pretty decent job

2019-01-01 07:15:51 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

delivered much more than I'd expected

2019-01-01 12:24:33 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

y'all been noticing how the populist right and populist left align on many issues ?

2019-01-01 12:24:50 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

like, how many times has Jimmy Dore praised Tucker Carlson

2019-01-01 12:25:01 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

for being anti-war, for being anti-Amazon

2019-01-01 12:25:40 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

anti fake russia scam

2019-01-01 12:35:03 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

well, they do agree on the problems but not on the solutions

2019-01-01 12:35:15 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

but in some cases, they do agree on the solutions too

2019-01-01 12:35:26 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

like withdrawing from foreign wars

2019-01-01 12:35:38 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

they do even now

2019-01-01 12:35:47 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

i'm talking the populist left

2019-01-01 12:35:54 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

not the mainstream neoliberal one

2019-01-01 12:36:13 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

neocon and neoliberals were always very close to each other

2019-01-01 13:04:48 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

you guys wanna know why most ppl are oblivious ?

2019-01-01 13:05:17 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

no, its deeper than that

2019-01-01 13:05:21 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

also, sadder

2019-01-01 13:05:51 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

let me get it..

2019-01-01 13:07:53 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

```
Girardโ€™s studies in literature, history, and sociology led him to develop a pretty cynical theory for why we want things:

We donโ€™t know what we want, so we imitate what other people want. He called this โ€œmimetic desire.โ€

People are switching jobs, getting divorced, and feeling dissatisfied more than any time in history. Itโ€™s as if our values and desires are in a constant state of fluctuation, changing with the slightest off-hand comments or newest trends. Rene Girard saw it coming: we have no concept of what we truly want or value, so the next best thing is to mimic someone elseโ€™s desires.

The girl with the Louis Vuitton bag got 600 Instagram likes โ€“ drop two grand.

Being a [insert religion here] worked for the rest of my family โ€“ do the same.

Heโ€™s a lawyer that makes money and drives a cool car โ€“ go to law school.

Everyoneโ€™s having fun in L.A. and New York โ€“ pack up and move.

The compound effect of mimetic desire is that it creates a culture where we battle for products, ideologies, and lifestyles that likely wonโ€™t satisfy either person fighting for them. We unintentionally manufacture social, political, and cultural norms, then try to stand out by being really good at those norms. And if that doesnโ€™t work, we look for something else to โ€œwant.โ€

Needless to say, social media turbocharges mimetic desire. Scrolling through Facebook and Instagram is like diving into a vortex of social proof. Itโ€™s where our personal tastes are formed. Itโ€™s where โ€œlikesโ€ have more merit than authenticity or talent. Itโ€™s where we learn to want what everyone else wants.
```

2019-01-01 13:08:25 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

mimetic existence

2019-01-01 13:08:31 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

basically old-school NPC theory

2019-01-01 13:09:16 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

sad, right ?

2019-01-01 13:09:29 UTC [Subverse #politics-free-for-all]  

we keep acting like there was a time in human history where most ppl where original

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