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thats cuz u define lib as classical lib

when its used to mean the left in general

which can be authoritarian or libertarian

if you don't define it as classical liberal, then liberals aren't liberal

how can a liberal be authoritarian?

muricans use liberals to mean leftists tho

and left can be either

A or L

nonono

there's multiple flavors of left

as there's multiple flavors of right

yes

liberals are the sensible part of the left in America, well, used to be

but

liberal itself is increasingly used to mean leftists in general

colloqially

even tho its wrong

technically

I say "Self Proclaimed Liberal"

nowadays, you can't just say you're liberal
you'll have to qualify that with classical liberal or centre-left

cuz liberal itself is kinda tarnished

and useless

nah, ppl only attack liberals because the other flavors are extreme, and it sounds like you are punching down too much

in the US, if you attack socialists, you aren't attacking the mainstream left (or that's what it used to mean)

I know

they belong to the progressive camp

which is also where stuff like intersectionalism belongs

I recently read an interesting piece about how many ppl support socialism, marxism etc just as a way of rebelling

not in Europe

in my country there's only socialists and communists

in europe, you've got social democrats

who are capitalistic as fuck, but tax income to maintain welfare state

so is that socialist or capitalist

both

Yurp breaks the left-right dichotomy

social democrats are just socialists

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nah

they have some of the best environments for businesses

but