Message from @Dionysus
Discord ID: 526853623779426309
idk what it is but Mark Dice gets on my nerves (partly cause he missuses Liberal). nonetheless i appreciate what he does. also Merry Christmas and all that stuff
Liberals missuse "Liberal"
all "Liberals" nowadays are illiberal
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
thats cuz u define lib as classical lib
when its used to mean the left in general
which can be authoritarian or libertarian
if you don't define it as classical liberal, then liberals aren't liberal
how can a liberal be authoritarian?
muricans use liberals to mean leftists tho
and left can be either
A or L
nonono
there's multiple flavors of left
as there's multiple flavors of right
yes
liberals are the sensible part of the left in America, well, used to be
liberal itself is increasingly used to mean leftists in general
colloqially
even tho its wrong
technically
I say "Self Proclaimed Liberal"
nowadays, you can't just say you're liberal
you'll have to qualify that with classical liberal or centre-left
cuz liberal itself is kinda tarnished
and useless
nah, ppl only attack liberals because the other flavors are extreme, and it sounds like you are punching down too much
in the US, if you attack socialists, you aren't attacking the mainstream left (or that's what it used to mean)
I know
they belong to the progressive camp
which is also where stuff like intersectionalism belongs
I recently read an interesting piece about how many ppl support socialism, marxism etc just as a way of rebelling
not in Europe
in my country there's only socialists and communists
in europe, you've got social democrats
who are capitalistic as fuck, but tax income to maintain welfare state
so is that socialist or capitalist
both