@norm That EU4?

o.O

@Deleted User I thought shitposting was an interest of yours.

Hmm then perhaps I am mixing you up with another "pierre.

@Deleted User Why is that?

Understandable.

Though my hobby is history and arguing with deniers. So that may be similar to politics.

😛 I mean holocaust deniers more then often.

Eh. I do it more for the humor to laugh at those who haven't even read up on the arguments they use.

We don't have the doors.

o.O no they are not... the krema are not even standing anymore.

They are ruins.

The Auschwitz 1 gas chamber was reconstructed.

But only after the Nazis turned it into an air raid shelter.

Not sure, no one knows.

Most recent estimate I have seen is around 900,000

Yes

@Deleted User Hmm?

oh nvm

I have had one before...

They don't read the issue.

@Firefly#9983 I haven't given any statistics for the holodomor. Do you mean what authors I read?

@Firefly#9983 The auschwitz ones?

@Firefly#9983 The most recent death toll study I can think up is from 2016 and estimated some 3.9 million deaths in ukraine and about 300,000 in the north caucasus.

It was conducted by Oleh Wolowyna

@Firefly#9983

Its a demographic study.

1926-1937 census data

I can give you the whole study.

I gave the name earlier.

o.O

No they didn't live during the time they took the deographic data that soviets conducted during the time.

Its published in the book Famines in European Economic History: The Last Great European Famines Reconsidered

Yes

Its all based on census data and calculates 3.9 million losses in the Ukriane.

Three that I know of

We have some incomplete data form 1933

To my understanding in sparcer regions its a bit questionable if that census data is good or not for the USSR. The data from Ukraine from what Oleh has said sounds like it has some of the better census takers for that year.

Depends? Do you mean they stuggled to address the famine?

If so no, they had addressed it in early 1932 and later made a law stating no additional aid could be sent unless approved of by the politburo.

What in the hell are you talking about?

You cannot really count famine deaths mind though this is only an estimate.

Except no its not.

The figure accounts for migration and excess births.

The same way Jacques Vallin estimates his figure using the 1939 census.

They estimate it like any other demographic study based on the available data.

Do you want the study?

Cause honestly 90% of all your questions could be answered by just reading it.

I have, but I didn't sign up to play 21 questions ether.

I made a statement, I gave the answer, if you would like to know I can quote the piece that estimates migration then.

It's an estimate made off from the available data that we have.

You should be asking that about the death toll in the first place. A high death toll doesn't mean anything.

Genocide can be genocide even if only 1 million people died.

It surveys the whole of the USSR.

They wouldn't miss 3 million people.

The soviets had a pretty firm hold on Ukraine...

Lol