To my understanding in sparcer regions its a bit questionable if that census data is good or not for the USSR. The data from Ukraine from what Oleh has said sounds like it has some of the better census takers for that year.

Do you know that Soviet government of the time struggled because they had no valid data from the region?

Depends? Do you mean they stuggled to address the famine?

If so no, they had addressed it in early 1932 and later made a law stating no additional aid could be sent unless approved of by the politburo.

They straggled to address anything. There were lack of data. Most of Ukrainian villages and small towns been so remote...nobody knew what the local Soviet government in Kiev were doing at the time.

Somehow books being published by Soros foundation with gorrilion "data".

What in the hell are you talking about?

The death statistics of the famine even in European part of Russia are unverifiable.

Because there were no statistics taken.

You cannot really count famine deaths mind though this is only an estimate.

And the one taken was done by people without any education who just learned to read.

If we count Ukraine now and 6 years ago there is 10 million death "estimate" with the same logic. But people just relocated.

Except no its not.

The figure accounts for migration and excess births.

@D-H how?

The same way Jacques Vallin estimates his figure using the 1939 census.

@D-H How did they account migration?

By the same logic second holodomor just happened.

They estimate it like any other demographic study based on the available data.

@D-H Like which data?

Do you want the study?

That's all he wants.

Cause honestly 90% of all your questions could be answered by just reading it.

I want to know how migration is counted.

I assume you've read it.

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I have, but I didn't sign up to play 21 questions ether.

I did

@D-H It is not the study that types in this chat but you. If you make the statement **you** answer for it.

I made a statement, I gave the answer, if you would like to know I can quote the piece that estimates migration then.

Can you prove it was not immigration but death?

It's an estimate made off from the available data that we have.

@D-H does it prove anything?

You should be asking that about the death toll in the first place. A high death toll doesn't mean anything.

Genocide can be genocide even if only 1 million people died.

@D-H I'm asking if there is a prove it is death and not simply relocation.

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Just right now on our eyes we had 10 mil Ukrainians relocating.

It surveys the whole of the USSR.

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They better have had a kitchen in that spaceship