@Firefly#9983 The most recent death toll study I can think up is from 2016 and estimated some 3.9 million deaths in ukraine and about 300,000 in the north caucasus.

It was conducted by Oleh Wolowyna

@D-H What is the source of the numbers?

Is there a document or something which verifies it?

Was there any?

Any of you want to join voice ?

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE I JUST MADE MY FRIEND STOP BEING AN ANCAP AND THEY RELAPSE INTO ONE AFTER THEY TURNED BACK INTO A NEO-LIBERAL SHILL GOD DAMN IT I FEEL SO DEFEATED

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@TheArrivedHussars what did they become before relapsing?

"Gentleman's Chat"

@Firefly#9983

Its a demographic study.

@D-H Based on?

1926-1937 census data

He wants a link.

I can give you the whole study.

@D-H who conducted the census study?

I gave the name earlier.

@D-H She lived in 1926-1937?

o.O

No they didn't live during the time they took the deographic data that soviets conducted during the time.

Its published in the book Famines in European Economic History: The Last Great European Famines Reconsidered

@D-H Is it all based on Soviet data?

Yes

Its all based on census data and calculates 3.9 million losses in the Ukriane.

@D-H How many census been conducted by USSR in this years in Ukraine?

Three that I know of

We have some incomplete data form 1933

How valid is this data?

How valid is the data from other census?

To my understanding in sparcer regions its a bit questionable if that census data is good or not for the USSR. The data from Ukraine from what Oleh has said sounds like it has some of the better census takers for that year.

Do you know that Soviet government of the time struggled because they had no valid data from the region?

Depends? Do you mean they stuggled to address the famine?

If so no, they had addressed it in early 1932 and later made a law stating no additional aid could be sent unless approved of by the politburo.

They straggled to address anything. There were lack of data. Most of Ukrainian villages and small towns been so remote...nobody knew what the local Soviet government in Kiev were doing at the time.

Somehow books being published by Soros foundation with gorrilion "data".

What in the hell are you talking about?

The death statistics of the famine even in European part of Russia are unverifiable.

Because there were no statistics taken.

You cannot really count famine deaths mind though this is only an estimate.

And the one taken was done by people without any education who just learned to read.