Wowee, I was actually let in

sup

oof

@Deleted User The Israelites descended from Shem

@Daniil There is a difference as Japheth was a son of Noah, and thus survived the flood

Europeans from Japheth, Israelites from Shem and Africans from Ham

But at this point in history, the lines are too messy to make any significant statement

And the Adamites were actually a 2nd century sect of Christianity in North Africa

@Deleted User Why do you have a Heathen tag to begin with?

Ethnic Jews, yes

Just searching for a reason to justify themselves

Or they don't understand the Jewish way of tracing lineage

If you look at the Hebrew way of tracing lineage, it's done through the mother rather than the father

Interestingly enough, David's grandmother wasn't a Israelite herself

A lot of Jewish rabbi that I've spoken with don't deny Jesus as the messiah, they're just waiting for his return

Ha

Because of the renouncement of the Mosaic law

There's a sect of Judaism called the Messianic that believe Jesus was who He said He was, and that He died for our sins and rose again. Tell me, does that still make them Christians?

The Israelites were the people of the covenant to who Yahweh revealed Himself to. We now have a new covenant in Christ, and so anyone who believes in who Christ is, what He did, and tries daily to follow Him can call themselves Christians

So yes, some Jews can be considered pagans, but they still worship Yahweh, and have ignored the truth of Christ

But that doesn't make their religion false, it's just an outline of the new covenant

A shadow, if you will

I consider the Messianic's to still be Christian, it's just they believed the renouncement of the Mosaic laws to be only for the Gentiles

Jewish law demands blood as payment of sin, hence the sacrifices of sheep and goats. Worship alone was not enough to satisfy. With the new covenant, Christ paid the price through His crucifixion. Jews have the option of believing He was the Messiah, or to continue their old ways

^

Although Calvanists would argue that

We experience time sequentially, and so we can choose the next steps from our current points

God experiences it sequentially

He gives us paths and choices, but He knows what our next steps are

It's a tough one to wrap your head around

Oh man, don't even get me started on that

No

There is a new covenant

@Korkza From my understanding, it was introduced as a way to normalise the Roman public (who were used to polytheism) to the idea of Christianity by introducing 'saint worship' into it. I might be wrong there, if someone wants to correct me, but that's what I've gathered from research

The Eastern Orthodox and Coptic's don't teach it, and they're pretty much theologically unchanged since Paul preached to them

The sacrifice has been paid, no more blood is required

Hebrews 10:5-18

@Korkza I can't find any Biblical basis for saint mediation for prayer

Jesus is the only mediator mentioned in the NT

Verses?

Philippians 1:1 AMP

Sainthood of all believers

The prayers of the saints is referencing the prayers of all believers in Christ

The original term saint meant a believer in Christ, not the current view that is currently held

Anyone can intercede for anyone

The problem is the elevated position that the current Catholic system gives to those deemed 'saints' by their definition

They were people, as much as we are people. The only thing giving them authority was Jesus Christ and not their own merits

I wouldn't say they're wrong, there's still genuine Christians in Catholicism. Just from my point of view, the theology is flawed and unbiblical

Confession, In persona Christi, Eucharist

I'm neither

Big funny

@Mozalbete ⳩ Why's that?

@Mozalbete ⳩ The Bible instructs for us to confess our sins to *each other*, my issue with Eucharist is the ritual it's become

In the early church, many congregants would confess their sins in front of the church

Christ alone forgives sins

Through the authority of Christ

John 20:22-23 AMP

Expands on the Greek

Which is why I use Amplified

There are sometimes words that have no direct translations to English

Thus the amplified goes into more detail

Hebrews 7:23–28 AMP

Hebrews 7:23–28

Cmon Biblebot, lmao

Hebrews 7:23–28

Why does this not want to work

Hebrews 7:26-28

That worked

Guess it was too long?

Hebrews 7:23-26

1 Peter 2:9 AMP

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