Message from @Z3

Discord ID: 500305070957527042


2018-10-12 13:49:57 UTC  

In the early church, many congregants would confess their sins in front of the church

2018-10-12 13:50:01 UTC  

The levitical priesthood was nothing but ritual

2018-10-12 13:50:11 UTC  

And nowhere did Christ say stop following ritual

2018-10-12 13:50:15 UTC  

The Bible doesn't talk. And also, Christ gives authority to forgive sins

2018-10-12 13:50:26 UTC  

The ritual is the reveration God deservves

2018-10-12 13:50:36 UTC  

Christ alone forgives sins

2018-10-12 13:51:06 UTC  

God alone has the power to give sins but he gave it to the apostles

2018-10-12 13:51:11 UTC  

It's literally in the bible

2018-10-12 13:51:26 UTC  

Through the authority of Christ

2018-10-12 13:51:27 UTC  

Which is why priests act in persona Christi with the authority Christ gave them when he gave them explicitely authority to forgive sins

2018-10-12 13:51:38 UTC  

im over her like wth did i start xD

2018-10-12 13:51:52 UTC  

Yeah, through the authority of Christ, which is passed down from bishop to priest and has been since the beginning

2018-10-12 13:52:31 UTC  

I've got nothing to say about the in persona Christi doctrine which afaik isn't mine

2018-10-12 13:52:40 UTC  

John 20:22-23 AMP

2018-10-12 13:52:40 UTC  

**John 20:22-23 - Amplified Bible (AMP)**

```Dust


<22> And when He said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. <23> If you forgive the sins of anyone they are forgiven <because of their faith> ; if you retain the sins of anyone, they are retained <and remain unforgiven because of their unbelief>."```

2018-10-12 13:53:13 UTC  

+setversion rsv

2018-10-12 13:53:13 UTC  

2018-10-12 13:53:19 UTC  

John 20:22-23

2018-10-12 13:53:19 UTC  

**John 20:22-23 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)**

```Dust


<22> And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. <23> If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."```

2018-10-12 13:53:36 UTC  

Looks like a phrase was...randomly added in your version?

2018-10-12 13:53:44 UTC  

Expands on the Greek

2018-10-12 13:53:46 UTC  

If you add to or remove from Scripture...

2018-10-12 13:53:54 UTC  

Which is why I use Amplified

2018-10-12 13:54:02 UTC  

Woe unto the translators of that

2018-10-12 13:54:30 UTC  

There are sometimes words that have no direct translations to English

2018-10-12 13:54:41 UTC  

Thus the amplified goes into more detail

2018-10-12 13:54:51 UTC  

Christ is talking to the apostles

2018-10-12 13:54:52 UTC  

TIL theres different bibles depending on the point u wanna make. i did not know that

2018-10-12 13:54:56 UTC  

Hebrews 7:23–28 AMP

2018-10-12 13:54:59 UTC  

Tells them the sins they forgive are forgiven

2018-10-12 13:55:04 UTC  

Seems pretty straightforward to me

2018-10-12 13:55:06 UTC  

Hebrews 7:23–28

2018-10-12 13:55:17 UTC  

Cmon Biblebot, lmao

2018-10-12 13:55:34 UTC  

Now, even if you add "because of their faith", it would remain that they are given authority to forgive sins

2018-10-12 13:56:02 UTC  

James 2:14-26

2018-10-12 13:56:03 UTC  

**James 2:14-26 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)**

```Dust
Faith without Works Is Dead

<14> What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him? <15> If a brother or sister is ill-clad and in lack of daily food, <16> and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit? <17> So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. <18> But some one will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. <19> You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder. <20> Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from works is barren? <21> Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? <22> You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, <23> and the scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness"; and he was called the friend of God. <24> You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. <25> And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? <26> For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead. ```

2018-10-12 13:56:09 UTC  

Hebrews 7:23–28

2018-10-12 13:56:11 UTC  

This triggers the Luther

2018-10-12 13:56:19 UTC  

Why does this not want to work

2018-10-12 13:56:25 UTC  

I'll try

2018-10-12 13:56:30 UTC  

Hebrews 7:23–28