it'd be rather cruel of him to put the jews on that path

i dont think u could answer that question in any other way then u would with prots etc

despite knowing the horrid outcome

Jewish law demands blood as payment of sin, hence the sacrifices of sheep and goats. Worship alone was not enough to satisfy. With the new covenant, Christ paid the price through His crucifixion. Jews have the option of believing He was the Messiah, or to continue their old ways

free will etc

^

Although Calvanists would argue that

But yeah, in the end Jews are at worst to be compared with pagans, and at best Westboro baptist church? lol

@Korkza but is it truly a matter of free will

if god can foresee everything

We experience time sequentially, and so we can choose the next steps from our current points

God experiences it sequentially

He gives us paths and choices, but He knows what our next steps are

It's a tough one to wrap your head around

Yeah this is why i just stick to tell people i dont worship mary lol

Oh man, don't even get me started on that

yeah. no idk if there could just be some clear lines and not 580 millions of weird interpretations thatd be great thanks.

@Z3 so, if jews continue those sacrificial traditions

they'd still go to heaven

No

There is a new covenant

@Korkza From my understanding, it was introduced as a way to normalise the Roman public (who were used to polytheism) to the idea of Christianity by introducing 'saint worship' into it. I might be wrong there, if someone wants to correct me, but that's what I've gathered from research

well i dont know about that. but what i know is that the church has teached intercession for atleast 1800 years. cuz thats where the earliest mention of it in text (That we know now)

And id imagine. or i hope atleast

that if it isnt true

someone would have showed up and said, dude this is wrong. alot sooner then the reformation

The Eastern Orthodox and Coptic's don't teach it, and they're pretty much theologically unchanged since Paul preached to them

and also. if it doesnot work. why does it matter since god hears all he still hears your prayer, and you are not worshipping them anyway so

@Z3 it just doesn't make sense to me, that it invalidated the old way to get to heaven

if you wish to worship yahweh through sacrifices of your own, then surely he wouldn't forbid entry to heaven

for you

The sacrifice has been paid, no more blood is required

but was it ever outright forbidden to do it the old way

even though it's unnecessary

Hebrews 10:5-18

**Hebrews 10:5-18 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<5> Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said,"Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body you have prepared for me; <6> in burnt offerings and sin offerings you have taken no pleasure. <7> Then I said, 'See, God, I have come to do your will, O God' (in the scroll of the book it is written of me)."<8> When he said above, "You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings" (these are offered according to the law), <9> then he added, "See, I have come to do your will." He abolishes the first in order to establish the second. <10> And it is by God's will that we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. <11> And every priest stands day after day at his service, offering again and again the same sacrifices that can never take away sins. <12> But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, "he sat down at the right hand of God," <13> and since then has been waiting "until his enemies would be made a footstool for his feet." <14> For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. <15> And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us, for after saying, <16> "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds,"<17> he also adds,"I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more."<18> Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin. ```

@Korkza I can't find any Biblical basis for saint mediation for prayer

Jesus is the only mediator mentioned in the NT

There is some of the prayers of angels etc

that they actually pray

and whom would they pray about?