You are so evil, you go against freedumbs!

by the way, you have not addressed a single point of what I said

the way I pointed out your hipocrisy

Your contradictions

Your nonsensical assumptions

And you have the nerve to call yourself "rational" and "logical"

Nobody need your retarded theories, based on the glorification of FREEDUMBS

What people need is a true authority that defends virtue

And that puts virtue into the law

And that law stops evil. That is what people need, not freedumbs

Oy veeeeey you are going against muh freedumbs!

I'm being ecumenical, I just follow what he said

You did well. Don't spoil her

The moment I see someone with a piercing, I know many things about that person

None of them are good

Piercings

Dyed hair

Do you also have a half-shaven head?

Are you high? Protestantism is by definition an attack on catholicism and orthodoxy

Protestantism is born as an attack on catholicism and the whole apostolic authority overall

Wut?

Do you understand when someone is considered a heresy?

When it is declared as such by the authority of the Church

That is why arianism is a heresy and not the other way round

Protestantism is born as a rejection of that authority

The Church is based on the apostoloc authority of the Church

It is by that aurhotity that scripture is born

The thing is, being apostolic is not something you decide

But something you are through an unbroken line of succession

Muhammed could as well declare himself to be apostolic

Retarded and facetious?

The moment people break away form the Church the line is broken

You can't apostatize and say you continue a line you just rejected

No, it actually sprang out of the convenience of a divorce

Apostasy is not just some vague "I believe in Jesus"

Aryans believe in Jesus

The thousand heretics regarding the trinity beleive in Jesus

It sprang from a fat king

I will call them heretic

It was born directly for the convenience of Henry

Let's not try to sugarcoat that

My argument is that you can't spit on the Church and brag about how apostolic you are

My argument is that you can't dismiss the authorities of the Church as silly outdated things that need "reformation" and then expect people to take you seroulsy

Do you know how the collection of books you know as the "bible" came to be?

It was

Compiled

And there were disagreements about those compilations

Who says what is against scripture?

It is against scripture to say that the Church can go against Scripture

The Gates of Hell will not prevail

You seem to imply that it is so easy to know what is and isn't against scripture, that there is no need for an infallible Church

However, you got a million denominations, each of them with a different opinion on what goes and does not go against Scripture

Catholicism is the Church because it has been since it was created by Christ

And the Bible did not exist as such for a few centuries

The basis of Christianity is not the Bible

It is Christ. And form Christ comes the Church

Apostolic Christianity exists since day 1, unlike protestant denominations that are traced to some random American, vow-breaking monk, or divorced king

The authority of an acumenical council is infallible

People disagree because people break away

It's not about majority

It has never been about majorities, which is why there is a hierarchy with a pope at the end

Heretics have been the majority at times

The council has a result that has to be approved by the Pope

The word of the Pope has always been final. If the Pope decrees that a council is not valid, it is not valid

And I will call them out on that

You can check the details on how new popes come to be

But the moment someone is Pope, he has authority

I don't know the exact details about how the Pope is chosen, they are irrelevant here

They are, because authority does not come from a bloodline, but from God

If they are chosen by a council, there is no voting by any majority of population

Otherwise, you could as well sya that there is a democracy where the population is a single person

The papacy is a lifelong title. The pope does not have to follow any wishes of the majority

He's infallible because the Church is divine, created by Christ and the Gates of Hell will not prevail

What part of that is not an argument?

What circular part? The original is well established with the creation of the Church by Christ

So?

It is what Christ said, with or without scripture narrating it

I think you are mistaking consistency with circularity

All the pieces fit perfectly with each other, and you call it "circular"

It does. An unbroken line of succession since Peter

Things have been this way from the first christians

It is precisely through councils that the canon of the Bible was decided

Some centuries after Christ

I'm talking the teachings of those who gave us scripture in the first place

Without the Church, what you consider to be scripture is just another random collection of writtings

The Church exists because Christ created it, and scripture tells us about that creation, but things would be the same way, with or without scripture. The councils, with the final approval of the pope, are an exercise of the Church's authority. There councils result in things like the final canon of scripture, the interpretation of that scripture, and things that are not an interpretation of scripture, but obviously don't contradict the interpretations of scripture.

As it is obvious, the existence of the Church does not contradict scripture, and the creation of the Church is mentioned in Scripture. My mentions of that scripture is to show the contradictions in those who want to accept Scripture but reject the Church.

Why have you ignored everything I have said?

Everything the Catholic Church dogmatically declares, has declared and will declare is true because Christ created the Church and said the Gates of Hell would not prevail

And those things happened before anyone wrote about them, and before such scriptures were declared canocical

Everything the Catholic Church dogmatically declares, has declared and will declare is true because Christ created the Church and said the Gates of Hell would not prevail. And those things happened before anyone wrote about them, and before such scriptures were declared canocical

People who go against the dogmatically declared statements of the Church are heretics. That is precisely what DEFINES heresy: what goes against the magysterium

Now, with miracles I do not concern myself, and what they preach is what they preach, which may be correct or wrong

Precisely

A believer in what?

In what things?

Because one can believe in some things that are right, and then in many that are wrong

And the things that are wrong canhave terrible implications

I can repeat every single verse in the Bible and then say that Christ was a travestite

In that case, am I preaching the gospel?

Or not