Message from @Mozalbete ⳩
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But the moment someone is Pope, he has authority
No, please don't be coy.
How does a pope become pope
I don't know the exact details about how the Pope is chosen, they are irrelevant here
No it's not
Because if they're chosen by a council or by bishops my point still holds
They are, because authority does not come from a bloodline, but from God
It's literally because of democracy
If they are chosen by a council, there is no voting by any majority of population
Otherwise, you could as well sya that there is a democracy where the population is a single person
Well that's essentially what I am saying. Is that the pope is infallible because you say he's infallible.
The papacy is a lifelong title. The pope does not have to follow any wishes of the majority
That's not an argument
He's infallible because the Church is divine, created by Christ and the Gates of Hell will not prevail
What part of that is not an argument?
The circular part.
What circular part? The original is well established with the creation of the Church by Christ
>Scripture is not the basis of Christianity
>uses scripture to prove point
So?
I think you are mistaking consistency with circularity
All the pieces fit perfectly with each other, and you call it "circular"
Haha
It doesn't fit perfectly
You use mental gymnastics to shove it together
It does. An unbroken line of succession since Peter
Right
Things have been this way from the first christians
That was decided upon by a council
Irregardless of scripture
Because scripture is not the basis of Christianity
It is precisely through councils that the canon of the Bible was decided
Some centuries after Christ
But it's the one part and interpretation of scripture that you use to define everything you're saying
I'm talking the teachings of those who gave us scripture in the first place
Ok give me an second and let me see if I can explain it you how it comes across to me from your explanation
Without the Church, what you consider to be scripture is just another random collection of writtings
The church is what it is because the council decides the interpretation of scripture. But the only argument from what makes the council right is one part of scripture that means a specific interpretation to that specific council agreed upon? That is definitionally circular reasoning.
The Church exists because Christ created it, and scripture tells us about that creation, but things would be the same way, with or without scripture. The councils, with the final approval of the pope, are an exercise of the Church's authority. There councils result in things like the final canon of scripture, the interpretation of that scripture, and things that are not an interpretation of scripture, but obviously don't contradict the interpretations of scripture.
As it is obvious, the existence of the Church does not contradict scripture, and the creation of the Church is mentioned in Scripture. My mentions of that scripture is to show the contradictions in those who want to accept Scripture but reject the Church.
So everything that the Catholic Church has done, is doing and will do is entirely righteous because of the piece of scripture you quoted because the Church is infallible because of said scripture?