Message from @Mozalbete ⳩

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2018-07-17 14:49:18 UTC  

So how did a counsel agree

2018-07-17 14:49:20 UTC  

Heretics have been the majority at times

2018-07-17 14:49:31 UTC  

The council has a result that has to be approved by the Pope

2018-07-17 14:49:33 UTC  

It hasn't always been with a pope at the head

2018-07-17 14:49:48 UTC  

It's why the Orthodox have issue with the Catholic Church

2018-07-17 14:49:56 UTC  

The word of the Pope has always been final. If the Pope decrees that a council is not valid, it is not valid

2018-07-17 14:50:01 UTC  

And I will call them out on that

2018-07-17 14:50:45 UTC  

Who appoints a pope?

2018-07-17 14:51:27 UTC  

You can check the details on how new popes come to be

2018-07-17 14:52:19 UTC  

But the moment someone is Pope, he has authority

2018-07-17 14:52:41 UTC  

No, please don't be coy.

2018-07-17 14:52:54 UTC  

How does a pope become pope

2018-07-17 14:53:20 UTC  

I don't know the exact details about how the Pope is chosen, they are irrelevant here

2018-07-17 14:53:34 UTC  

No it's not

2018-07-17 14:53:54 UTC  

Because if they're chosen by a council or by bishops my point still holds

2018-07-17 14:53:58 UTC  

They are, because authority does not come from a bloodline, but from God

2018-07-17 14:54:04 UTC  

It's literally because of democracy

2018-07-17 14:54:18 UTC  

If they are chosen by a council, there is no voting by any majority of population

2018-07-17 14:54:33 UTC  

Otherwise, you could as well sya that there is a democracy where the population is a single person

2018-07-17 14:55:18 UTC  

Well that's essentially what I am saying. Is that the pope is infallible because you say he's infallible.

2018-07-17 14:55:22 UTC  

The papacy is a lifelong title. The pope does not have to follow any wishes of the majority

2018-07-17 14:55:23 UTC  

That's not an argument

2018-07-17 14:55:38 UTC  

He's infallible because the Church is divine, created by Christ and the Gates of Hell will not prevail

2018-07-17 14:55:50 UTC  

What part of that is not an argument?

2018-07-17 14:55:58 UTC  

The circular part.

2018-07-17 14:56:13 UTC  

What circular part? The original is well established with the creation of the Church by Christ

2018-07-17 14:56:14 UTC  

>Scripture is not the basis of Christianity

2018-07-17 14:56:28 UTC  

>uses scripture to prove point

2018-07-17 14:56:35 UTC  

So?

2018-07-17 14:56:52 UTC  

It is what Christ said, with or without scripture narrating it

2018-07-17 14:57:21 UTC  

I think you are mistaking consistency with circularity

2018-07-17 14:57:34 UTC  

All the pieces fit perfectly with each other, and you call it "circular"

2018-07-17 14:57:43 UTC  

Haha

2018-07-17 14:57:50 UTC  

It doesn't fit perfectly

2018-07-17 14:58:03 UTC  

You use mental gymnastics to shove it together

2018-07-17 14:58:04 UTC  

It does. An unbroken line of succession since Peter

2018-07-17 14:58:13 UTC  

Right

2018-07-17 14:58:17 UTC  

Things have been this way from the first christians

2018-07-17 14:58:31 UTC  

That was decided upon by a council

2018-07-17 14:58:36 UTC  

Irregardless of scripture

2018-07-17 14:58:47 UTC  

Because scripture is not the basis of Christianity