Message from @Mozalbete ⳩

Discord ID: 468789183532761088


2018-07-17 14:34:43 UTC  

Let's not try to sugarcoat that

2018-07-17 14:34:48 UTC  

Your*

2018-07-17 14:34:55 UTC  

My argument is that you can't spit on the Church and brag about how apostolic you are

2018-07-17 14:35:34 UTC  

Even if the Catholic Church went entirely against the Bible it would still be the one true Church because it had an unbroken line of apostolic succession?

2018-07-17 14:35:35 UTC  

My argument is that you can't dismiss the authorities of the Church as silly outdated things that need "reformation" and then expect people to take you seroulsy

2018-07-17 14:35:54 UTC  

I'm not spitting on anything

2018-07-17 14:35:58 UTC  

Do you know how the collection of books you know as the "bible" came to be?

2018-07-17 14:36:06 UTC  

Yes of course.

2018-07-17 14:36:11 UTC  

It was

2018-07-17 14:36:14 UTC  

Compiled

2018-07-17 14:36:19 UTC  

I know

2018-07-17 14:36:20 UTC  

And there were disagreements about those compilations

2018-07-17 14:36:22 UTC  

But still

2018-07-17 14:36:36 UTC  

If the Catholic Church went against scripture today

2018-07-17 14:36:50 UTC  

Would you consider it the one true Church?

2018-07-17 14:36:51 UTC  

Who says what is against scripture?

2018-07-17 14:39:01 UTC  

If you were to cheat on your wife that would not be against scripture? You'd have to go to the pope and ask him for his infallible opinion on the matter?

2018-07-17 14:39:34 UTC  

It is against scripture to say that the Church can go against Scripture

2018-07-17 14:39:42 UTC  

The Gates of Hell will not prevail

2018-07-17 14:40:31 UTC  

You seem to imply that it is so easy to know what is and isn't against scripture, that there is no need for an infallible Church

2018-07-17 14:40:51 UTC  

However, you got a million denominations, each of them with a different opinion on what goes and does not go against Scripture

2018-07-17 14:42:24 UTC  

How did people read and understand the Bible and compile it and decide? So you're saying the reason Catholicism is the one true Church is because the line of people who compiled it and interpretated it were and are infallible?

2018-07-17 14:43:41 UTC  

Protestant denominations that disagree with mainstream Theological interpretations aren't in Disagreement about what's right, they're purposefully sinful

2018-07-17 14:44:15 UTC  

Catholicism is the Church because it has been since it was created by Christ

2018-07-17 14:44:17 UTC  

Sounds like circular reasoning to never be wrong about anything.

2018-07-17 14:44:28 UTC  

And the Bible did not exist as such for a few centuries

2018-07-17 14:44:55 UTC  

The basis of Christianity is not the Bible

2018-07-17 14:45:04 UTC  

It is Christ. And form Christ comes the Church

2018-07-17 14:45:53 UTC  

Apostolic Christianity exists since day 1, unlike protestant denominations that are traced to some random American, vow-breaking monk, or divorced king

2018-07-17 14:46:17 UTC  

Haha

2018-07-17 14:47:00 UTC  

Yeah but you don't understand by agreeing on scriptural interpretation at a counsel is not infallible

2018-07-17 14:47:06 UTC  

Otherwise people wouldn't disagree

2018-07-17 14:47:31 UTC  

The authority of an acumenical council is infallible

2018-07-17 14:47:53 UTC  

People disagree because people break away

2018-07-17 14:48:21 UTC  

Just because you had the most people on your side and could physically remove them by pain of torture or death definitely sounds like infallible apostolic succession to me. Good one.

2018-07-17 14:48:37 UTC  

Or you physically remove them and call them heretics.

2018-07-17 14:48:46 UTC  

Through democracy

2018-07-17 14:48:57 UTC  

It's not about majority

2018-07-17 14:49:11 UTC  

Ok

2018-07-17 14:49:11 UTC  

It has never been about majorities, which is why there is a hierarchy with a pope at the end

2018-07-17 14:49:18 UTC  

So how did a counsel agree