Message from @Mozalbete ⳩

Discord ID: 468800255513722890


2018-07-17 15:13:26 UTC  

So everything that the Catholic Church has done, is doing and will do is entirely righteous because of the piece of scripture you quoted because the Church is infallible because of said scripture?

2018-07-17 15:15:37 UTC  

Why have you ignored everything I have said?

2018-07-17 15:15:48 UTC  

I haven't

2018-07-17 15:16:05 UTC  

I'm not trying to be difficult or straw man you

2018-07-17 15:16:16 UTC  

I'm honestly trying to understand

2018-07-17 15:16:23 UTC  

Everything the Catholic Church dogmatically declares, has declared and will declare is true because Christ created the Church and said the Gates of Hell would not prevail

2018-07-17 15:16:41 UTC  

Right

2018-07-17 15:16:53 UTC  

And those things happened before anyone wrote about them, and before such scriptures were declared canocical

2018-07-17 15:17:03 UTC  

So everything the Catholic Church has done, is doing and will do is entirely righteous because of that scripture?

2018-07-17 15:17:20 UTC  

The Church is infallible because of that scripture?

2018-07-17 15:17:27 UTC  

Everything the Catholic Church dogmatically declares, has declared and will declare is true because Christ created the Church and said the Gates of Hell would not prevail. And those things happened before anyone wrote about them, and before such scriptures were declared canocical

2018-07-17 15:19:57 UTC  

Are people who aren't apostles heretics and unable to do miracles and preach the gospel?

2018-07-17 15:20:33 UTC  

People who go against the dogmatically declared statements of the Church are heretics. That is precisely what DEFINES heresy: what goes against the magysterium

2018-07-17 15:22:12 UTC  

Now, with miracles I do not concern myself, and what they preach is what they preach, which may be correct or wrong

2018-07-17 15:23:18 UTC  

A heretic is someone who goes outside church dogma?

2018-07-17 15:23:29 UTC  

Precisely

2018-07-17 15:23:42 UTC  

Are they a believer?

2018-07-17 15:23:51 UTC  

A believer in what?

2018-07-17 15:24:03 UTC  

In the Gospel and in Christ

2018-07-17 15:24:30 UTC  

In what things?

2018-07-17 15:24:50 UTC  

Because one can believe in some things that are right, and then in many that are wrong

2018-07-17 15:25:02 UTC  

And the things that are wrong canhave terrible implications

2018-07-17 15:26:03 UTC  

Are people who work miracles and preach the gospel in Christ's name be heretics?

2018-07-17 15:26:41 UTC  

I can repeat every single verse in the Bible and then say that Christ was a travestite

2018-07-17 15:26:53 UTC  

In that case, am I preaching the gospel?

2018-07-17 15:27:12 UTC  

Because surely a house divided will fall and the church cannot fall but people who do miracles in the name of Christ are for Christ.

2018-07-17 15:27:27 UTC  

Or not

2018-07-17 15:27:28 UTC  

No, again please don't be facetious

2018-07-17 15:27:40 UTC  

I just point out how little "preaching the gospel" can mean

2018-07-17 15:27:52 UTC  

"Do not stop him," Jesus said. "For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us."

2018-07-17 15:27:59 UTC  

Who is us

2018-07-17 15:28:10 UTC  

Christ also said this

2018-07-17 15:29:03 UTC  

So you can't do a miracle and then call Christ a transvestite because of the scripture you quote.

2018-07-17 15:29:15 UTC  

I do not concern myself with that, as I already said. I do not understand why you want to talk so much about miracles. Maybe you want to brag about how your favorite heretic has some alleged miracle and thus can't be wrong

2018-07-17 15:29:58 UTC  

No.

2018-07-17 15:30:24 UTC  

I'm trying to understand a Catholic's understanding and interpretation of the faith

2018-07-17 15:30:52 UTC  

Then you should read the Catechism?

2018-07-17 15:31:23 UTC  

Ok.

2018-07-17 15:31:34 UTC  

I have to leave though. Going to play some Rayman

2018-07-17 15:31:45 UTC  

Ok.

2018-07-17 15:31:50 UTC  

Was nice talking to you.