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2018-01-23 06:51:59 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

I guess not

2018-01-23 06:52:15 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

after all, moderation is a construct of the capitalist class

2018-01-23 06:52:22 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

its an unjutified heirarchy

2018-01-23 06:52:43 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

precisely, comrade

2018-01-23 06:53:24 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  


2018-01-23 06:53:33 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

i literally just joined and im already loving this

2018-01-23 06:53:49 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  


2018-01-23 06:54:08 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

so what ideology are y'all?

2018-01-23 06:54:22 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

im ansynd personally

2018-01-23 06:55:26 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  


2018-01-23 06:55:39 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

anyway, im gonna go to bed, i shoulda done that an hour ago

2018-01-23 06:55:43 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  


2018-01-23 06:56:10 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

ill try not to lol

2018-01-23 06:56:17 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

but yeah, Bakunin is pretty lit

2018-01-23 06:56:28 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

I like Kropotkin a bit more tho

2018-01-23 06:56:34 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

how so?

2018-01-23 06:56:42 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

I dont remember any anti-semite works from him

2018-01-23 06:56:47 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  


2018-01-23 06:56:49 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

the more u know

2018-01-23 06:57:03 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

wow, i suddenly hate Bakunin

2018-01-23 06:57:05 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

thanks dude

2018-01-23 06:57:16 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  


2018-01-23 06:57:38 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

im still a liiiiiitle new to far-left politics, like I've read a good bit but at the end of the day Im still learning a lot

2018-01-23 06:58:00 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

right now im reading theory and practice of anarcho syndicalism

2018-01-23 06:58:47 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  


2018-01-23 06:59:28 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

Chomsky is bae

2018-01-23 06:59:49 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

but fr tho guys, i should head to bed

2018-01-23 06:59:53 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

i got school tomorrow

2018-01-23 06:59:59 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

or well, in like 6 hours

2018-01-23 07:00:09 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

night dude

So I've been reading Theory and Practice of Anarcho-Syndicalism by Rudolf Rocker, and I came across a concept of his that I haven't seen before in anarcho syndicalism. That being Labor Cartels. I haven't seen it much before when I hear others talk about Anarcho Syndicalism, and I'd like to hear another source on it, and maybe more details on it-- because Rocker only goes into a page or two into detail about it.

also, big oof @Killamune

all is forgiven comrade

yeah, i havent seen it before myself

i think the name is terrible too

people would just associate them with drug cartels

true tho

lol no im not a kaiserriech normie

I came across it before, i just saw kaiserriech after

but from what I understand, it sounds like labor cartels are a way to regionally group trade unions, and said labor cartels would organize things like:
1. How much of x resource we need to produce

2. education/propaganda

3. Class unity

which is pretty broad, and a little weird to me

yeah, i could see that

the trade unions just provide more stability than the cartles

in my opinion at least

like I agree that said unions need to federate, but these cartels are too general and too hard to organize I think

I guess thats debatable

but im in favor of the trade unions

i mean, anarchists love some direct democracy, i think thats incentive enough

and by making a directly democratic federation, itll provide more stability to the anarchist society while keeping the freedom

plus, its a justified heirarchy, because it's, well, directly democratic

id say so

but nowadays trade unions kinda plummited in quality and popularity after the dang old 1930s or so

no, heirarchy is real, and its everywhere, anarchists just wanna get rid of unjustified heirarchy

in my opinion, trade unions dropped off after the 1930s (especially in the US) after some reforms were earned and WW2 came around, so anarchism and trade unionism became a thing of the psat

"Heirarchy is non existant in the eyes of anarchists"

u did lol

but your revised statement is true

i guess you just mistyped, it happens to us all


meh, I still think anarchists see heirarchy everywhere

you can see lots of us anarchists going on and on about unjustified heirarchy

so i mean, we think its real tho

oof, are we gonna talk philosophy now?

because then we'll start asking what "real" is

itll get messy

a justified heirarchy? a direct democracy, where the people give *direct* power to a position

exactly @Deleted User, thats why id prefer not to argue about if heirarchies are real or not, because we both agree that they are real

also @Onlyinmizzou who are u calling a newfag?

cuz i kinda am, i just joined this server yesterday lel

so if anything call me a newfag

thats a full year wow

well @Deleted User, those anarchists u were talking to might've been talking about people elected in borgeoiuse democracy

(also chill on my spelling of borgeiouse i know its autistic)

no matter how many times i see that word i cant spell it for the life of me

so my theory was wrong there.

but then again, i've only been able to hear the opinions of *some* anarchists, so perhaps my concescus of what anrachists want is a bit out of touch. I've always wanted to meet more anarchists, but I haven't been able to find any

brb my chicken tendies are ready

no im joking lel

itsa gooda meme

but for real tho, i guess I am tunnel visioned, because I'm still kinda new to the far-left. I only became an An-Synd in, like, September.

and I've been reading what I can get my hands on, but there's still plenty I don't know

but hell, at least im not a bernie sanders normie

i mean, most of an-synd rhetoric is economic, with some political aspects with forming our directly-democratic federation, so social aspects like that aren't nearly a big deal. Personally though, I don't have much of an opinion, I don't see why a changing demographic is that big of a deal.

now if you were, say, a strasserist, or part of the nazbol gang thats a different story

it might change the way that cultures operate and what kind of cultural values are in play, but I doubt that a few demographic changes can reshape society as a whole

i mean, most societal reconstructions come from science

for instance, the industrail and agricultural revolutions


jesus christ my spelling

lol I know, I try my best to talk to people but I'm the most radical guy at my school tbh, and everybody talks to *me* about the far-left, so I personally dont have any good local sources to learn about the far left because others rely on me as said source

but if u know a good way to talk/meet up with anarchists etc. that would be great @Onlyinmizzou

also @Deleted User I did imply that different races act differently through different cultures, but I doubt that having a different culture take control would call for a radical reconstruction of society at large

I think thats a bit of a leap

Thats an interesting philosophy, but I think that our environments (and by extension our culture) has a much greater influence on us

like, white people in a mostly black culture will act in accordance witha black culture @Deleted User

@Deleted User I know YOU arent talking about culture, I'm saying that culture/environment dictates your mindset and behavior, not your birth/race

but nonetheless, thatd be an interesting study

id like to look into it

if you could find out where it is on the internet that'd be fantastic

also @Onlyinmizzou, you were reccomending to me earlier to avoid labelling myself a certain ideology without knowledge of it, or something along those lines. thats not what im doing (or at least, not TRYING to do), Anarcho-Syndicalism just seems like the best path to socialism to me. It simply seams like a good blend of anarchist idealism and sydicalist pragmaticism.

That's because black culture is differnt @Deleted User. being born black doesn't automatically make you a drug dealing murderer, I find that ridiculous. This isn't to say that your arguing that ALL black people are like this, I'm simply stating that being born black doesn't automatically shuffle you to that role

its usually due to economic conditions in ghettos that black people commit more crimes

thats an interesting fact. Do you know by how much? @Deleted User

yeah, id like a citation for that, because thats a BIT of a big claim

that last stat u had a pass for, but no this one I'd say.

but this one I'd say no*

jesus I cant grammar

and also @Onlyinmizzou I understand that concern, and usually use the term an-synd as a way to tell people what exactly I stand for

before I read the article, id like to say that going to prison and actually doing a crime are to seperate things @Deleted User

people who commit crimes get away scott free, and people you do nothing go to prison all the time

but lemme read the article real quikc

the reason I said that thing about incarcaration is becasue you can't generalize taht a group commits more crime just because they get imprisoned more

sorry, i could've connected my point better

About 2.7 percent of the poorest white young people -- those whose household wealth was in the poorest 10th of the distribution in 1985, when they were between 20 and 28 years old -- ultimately went to prison. In the next 10th, 3.1 percent ultimately went to prison.

The households of young people in both of these groups had more debts than assets. In other words, their wealth was negative. All the same, their chances of being imprisoned were far less than those of black youth from much more affluent circumstances.

About 10 percent of affluent black youth in 1985 would eventually go to prison. Only the very wealthiest black youth -- those whose household wealth in 1985 exceeded $69,000 in 2012 dollars -- had a better chance of avoiding prison than the poorest white youth. Among black young people in this group, 2.4 percent were incarcerated.

it litterally says that the white young people had a slightly higher percentage of imprisonment

3.1 for white and 2.4 for black

am I misreadeing this?

oof, nice ad hominen there @Onlyinmizzou


well then.

so, I started a socialist club at my school

thats a good conversation starter

I had my first official meeting last friday @Onlyinmizzou

it went pretty good, we had 25-30 all at the same time

we needed more chairs actually

we voted on what we would discuss next time @Onlyinmizzou, and they all decided to talk about cold war propaganda

so now im making a slide show for that

but brb for real

cuz now my ACTUAL food is ready

a nice eggplant parmesian ๐Ÿ˜‰

@Onlyinmizzou yeah, the most radical people there is a demsoc or two and an ansynd I converted, the rest are Bernie supporters, liberals, and political moderates (and a couple conservatives)

So, they arenโ€™t quite familiar enough or interested enough with the more radical side of socialism to be interested in it

I mean, radical in comparison to Bernie supporters

In the grand scheme of things Iโ€™m not tooooo radical I guess, because Iโ€™m still learning, Iโ€™m just radical on the local sense

Antifa full of porn stars? Thatโ€™s a new one.

Iโ€™m sure that the average porn stars just cannot stand fascism and has strong tendencies to wreck police cars

One porn star. One. Suddenly, theyโ€™re FULL of porn stars

Meh, Iโ€™m critical of antifa but I donโ€™t think we should shit on them

The preaching of tolerance is mostly center left honestly, the far left can take a good joke

โ€œNot reallyโ€

Argument diffused

low-key is actually jesus

that'd be interesting

i saw a reddit post of this one ancap visitting greece, and met with a bunch of ancoms and told them about his ideology. apparantly the ancoms had never heard of anarcho capitalism, and upon hearing it legitemitely thought it was a return to feudalism, and they proceeded to beat up the ancap guy and throw him out

also yeah, damn ancap memes

yeah, pretty violent to say the least

yeah i heard about that

a damn shame

may they rest in peace

well, its a bit of a stereotype to say that anarchists are just a bunch of idiots wanting no rules. anarchism as a philosophy is rooted in idelistic beliefs of the self-governance of people and the reliance that human beings are inherently good\

but yeah, greece's economy is in shambles, i hear it's godawful over there

meh, i guess

but I should really start on my homework, I've delayed it enough

nice little talk y'all @Deleted User @Onlyinmizzou

idk, i think we kinda finished this specific discussion. We'll definetly move onto a different topic tho

2018-01-26 04:00:17 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

big oof @Krieg#0336

2018-01-26 04:00:31 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

also trasserism huh? Haven't seen much of that in a while.

2018-01-26 04:00:37 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  


2018-01-28 20:47:55 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

It really is tho

2018-01-29 23:57:40 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

feelsgoodman @Miracle Squeer

2018-02-01 03:35:16 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

@Krieg#0336 I've always thought that Nazi Germany was a corporatist economy where the Government had a lot of influence over capitalist monopolies, nowhere near a social democracy ala Nordic countries. Also, on Mousillini being a National Syndicalist, from what I heard he abandond Syndicalism quite quickly. Correct me if I'm wrong, however.
And for the record, I would personally accept Strasserism as a form of socialism, albeit a bastard child of socialism and fascism.

2018-02-02 01:08:11 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

Yeah, Iโ€™m in the IWW. Iโ€™m new though, just joined last month @stratagast

2018-02-02 01:15:53 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

Also @Deleted User @kriegsmariner VA lemme do a bit of research here, Iโ€™ll try and find the people that said Germany was corporatist, and look at some of their sources. Iโ€™ll be back

2018-02-02 02:02:11 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

Okay, from what I see and what I'm researching right now, I could definetly see @Krieg#0336's arguement for Germany being a "racist social democracy". For instance:
-Taxation was high
-Government spending was through the roof
-Private business was allowed to operate
-Healthcare was a thing
-Keynes himself LIKED the Germany economy
-Pensions were even given out, apparently

However, I'm also seeing elements of totalitarianism in there. For instance, State-Run Trade Unions designed to squeeze out productivity in factories. Also, military spending took was as high as 32% of the budget-- that doesn't sound like a Social Democracy at all! Additionally, the reason that public projects such as job programs and industry protectionism seems to be mainly for the sake of increasing productivy of home industries, not for the sake of basic human rights, as it is in Nordic countries.

So in other words, I'd place Hitlerist economics as an Authoritarian-Right version of Social Democracy. Not quite corporatism, not quite social democracy, a strange kind of militaritic totalitarian welfare state.

2018-02-02 02:03:08 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

why yes, this is true. I know a fascist friend that claims that fascism calls for "Class Collaboration, not Class Warfare", so thats correct @Deleted User

2018-02-02 02:03:45 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

I would also agree that fascist economics has more diversity than people give it credit for.

2018-02-02 02:04:31 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

Then again @Deleted User , thats because political compass tests are actually cancerous ways of viewing politics

2018-02-02 02:05:06 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

yeah, fascism has more roots in politics if anything. Probably why history classes don't cover it's economy very much and why fascist economics are so diverse.

2018-02-02 02:06:36 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

@Krieg#0336 big oof

2018-02-02 02:07:09 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  


2018-02-02 02:07:23 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

but then again, my latest history classes have been a lot better

2018-02-02 02:07:46 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

for instance, my current history teacher is W O K E af

2018-02-02 02:08:30 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

he legit knows what Mutualism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, Marx's Labor Theory of Value etc. are. I have NEVER seen a history teacher talk about any of that. He's pretty fricking lit.

2018-02-02 02:08:50 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

hell, he's the sponsor for my socialist club

2018-02-02 02:08:56 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

so overall a pretty cool dude

2018-02-02 02:09:03 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

i mean true @Deleted User

2018-02-02 02:09:15 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

but I still think he covers a lot in his US history classes

2018-02-02 02:09:26 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

I sure learned a lot.

2018-02-02 02:09:36 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

what predictions did you have?

2018-02-02 02:12:02 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

well, as far as America is concerned it can cover a lot. obviously I won't learn shit about, say, South Africa or something.

2018-02-02 02:12:28 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

But I learned about some pretty major Labor Unions within the mid-late 19th century up to the early 20th century.

2018-02-02 02:14:17 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

well obviously, I just didn't know that the AFL or the Knight of Labor were a thing.

2018-02-02 02:14:36 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

Specifically those labor unions.

2018-02-02 02:15:06 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

but I see your point nonetheless, the American education system is in desperate need for reform.

2018-02-02 02:15:12 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

If not a comeplete overhaul.

2018-02-02 02:15:50 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

I'm just saying that it's not 100% terrible, because sometimes you get a good class (like my AP US history class)

2018-02-02 02:19:43 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

Fair enough.

2018-02-02 02:19:52 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

either way, hope you have a nice evevning.

2018-02-03 04:35:30 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

very original @Biermann#5625

2018-02-03 04:55:48 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

I agree

2018-02-03 04:56:11 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

even as an anarchist, I still think that the death toll under stalin is ridiculously exagerated

2018-02-03 04:56:53 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

its more like 25 mil if you count from both famines AND from ww2, and even that is pretty exaggerated.

2018-02-03 04:57:16 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

but population growth and population in general would've boomed under this period due to Stalins high amount of industrialization

2018-02-03 04:57:29 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

for instance, before stalin life expectancy was around ~37 or so

2018-02-03 04:57:42 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

it became like 60 something by the end of the reign

2018-02-03 04:58:00 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

which meant that more children were being born (becaues medicine) and people were living longer

2018-02-03 04:58:10 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

which counteracted some of the pop loss from ww2 and famines

2018-02-03 04:58:31 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

but not nearly enough to facilitate +80 Million people in 20 years, thats just absurd

2018-02-03 04:58:45 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

+40 Million at the absolute most is the most believable

2018-02-03 05:00:31 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

Estimates I've seen is about 1-2 million, but thats just because the Soviet Union is pretty damn big place.

2018-02-03 05:00:38 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

besides, there a lot of kulaks to get rid of

2018-02-03 05:00:59 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

honnestly, the kulaks deserved it, but I don't like the fact that Stalin sent anarchists to the gulags too

2018-02-03 05:01:19 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

besides that act of Left Secretarianism, Stalin was a pretty cool noodle

2018-02-03 05:02:45 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

nonetheless, still sent to prisons.

2018-02-03 05:03:03 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

and its kinda hard to justify prisons

2018-02-03 05:03:10 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

(except for kulaks of course)

2018-02-03 05:04:12 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

this is a new one

2018-02-03 05:04:15 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

never heard about this

2018-02-03 05:04:34 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

But wasn't Lenin a-okay with the Anarchists?

2018-02-03 05:04:58 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

It was mainly Trotsky and Stalin that didn't like Anarchists

2018-02-03 05:05:47 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

just gave it a bit of a read

2018-02-03 05:06:03 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

it doesn't mention her being an anarchist here

2018-02-03 05:06:11 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

but for the sake of arguement, lets say she is

2018-02-03 05:06:33 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

it still wasn't Anarchism in general that attacked Lenin, or even a group, just one Radical

2018-02-03 05:07:58 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

Obviously he didnโ€™t AGREE with anarchism, I was just saying that Lenin could with with them while Trot and Stalin couldnโ€™t

2018-02-03 05:08:19 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

Also my computer just had a heart attack, Iโ€™m using my phone

2018-02-03 05:10:16 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

And if she alone made Lenin sick and useless, then how did Lenin last four years after this, AND effectively lead the Soviet Union?

2018-02-03 05:10:46 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

Because the assassination was in 1918, right in the middle of the civil war

2018-02-03 05:11:12 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

But either way, I understand your point

2018-02-03 05:12:11 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

Besides, bickering over whether it was anarchists or communists that started all the violence is rubbish

2018-02-03 05:12:22 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

Itโ€™s what the capitalist class would want us to do

2018-02-03 05:12:39 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

But thanks for the history, Comrade.

2018-02-03 05:12:50 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

You too.

2018-02-03 18:07:41 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

In my opinion, Communism is only as effective as the guy in charge. You get somebody like Lenin, Stalin, or Mao in power things are pretty cool. Get a cuck like Gorbachev and everything sucks and we have capitalism again

2018-02-03 18:55:54 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

I agree @Deleted User that they had some pretty bad authoritarianism, as an Anarchist I see that as pretty bad. But I think their achievenments were pretty cool, not necessarily themselves.

2018-02-03 19:00:44 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

also @Shwiani, Stalin mainly killed Kulaks (which is good) and some anarchists (which is bad),but most humans in history? far from it. The statistic that says "Communism Killed 100 Million people" is an exaggeration from the Black Book of Communism, which concluded it was 94 million. The source itself was exaggerated too. In fact, the publishers of the Black Book of Communism went back and said that they greatly exagerrated their sources to drive up the numbers! For instance, they considered anybody arrested to be "a death under communism". Furthermore, the population of Russia actually INCREASED during stalin's reign from 1922-1952, from 120 million to 140 million. If 20 million were supposedly "killed under communism", then wouldn't that population increase in fact be a DECREASE? And on the topic of famines, the industrialization policies under Stalin and Mao actually ENDED famines in their respective countries-- famines which plagued the nations for hundreds of years.

2018-02-03 19:01:03 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

So to say that "they killed the most humans in history" is a capitalist lie

2018-02-03 19:01:16 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

Now do I agree with Stalin and Mao?

2018-02-03 19:01:55 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

No, I think industrialization and re-militarization of thier nations could esaily be achieved under Anarchism, without resorting to Totalitarianism.

2018-02-03 19:02:22 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

But that doesn't mean I should whine and say they were big meanies that killed a hundred quadrillion people

2018-02-03 19:10:37 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

eh, i dont mind that stalin gulaged the filthy grain horders

2018-02-03 19:10:50 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

and the nazis deserved what they got in ww2

2018-02-03 19:10:59 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

everything else however, stalin wasn't justified in doing

2018-02-03 19:14:05 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

I think that holodomor was a combination of bad weather conditions and bueacratic incompetency.

2018-02-03 19:14:45 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

For instance, the soviet regime sold a lot of their grain mostly to buy machine parts for industrialization, which eventually got the food situation under control but for the time being only increased the levels of starvation.

2018-02-03 19:15:25 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

I also don't think it could've been a genocide, because it mostly effected peasants. There is no way in hell that I could believe that Joseph Stalin would lead a genocide to KILL PEASANTS.

2018-02-03 19:15:51 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

The entire communist ideology is based around PROTECTING the peasants, and Stalin was and alwasy has been a die-hard communist

2018-02-03 19:16:06 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

hell, he read up on communism very extently in his university days

2018-02-03 19:16:34 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

and in an interview one of his bodygaurds said that he went out of his way to give people waiting for their late bus one day rides to their location

2018-02-03 19:16:38 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

he drove them himself

2018-02-03 19:16:43 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

that too

2018-02-03 19:17:13 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

so I don't agree with the very liberal view of history that says "Stalin was a big meanie that just wanted power and corrupted the soviet union with genocides and bad stuff"

2018-02-03 19:17:30 UTC [/leftypol/ International #english]  

sure he had some imperialistic aspects to him, and he had some questionable choices at times

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