@Deleted User I know YOU arent talking about culture, I'm saying that culture/environment dictates your mindset and behavior, not your birth/race

but nonetheless, thatd be an interesting study

id like to look into it

if you could find out where it is on the internet that'd be fantastic

also @Onlyinmizzou, you were reccomending to me earlier to avoid labelling myself a certain ideology without knowledge of it, or something along those lines. thats not what im doing (or at least, not TRYING to do), Anarcho-Syndicalism just seems like the best path to socialism to me. It simply seams like a good blend of anarchist idealism and sydicalist pragmaticism.

That's because black culture is differnt @Deleted User. being born black doesn't automatically make you a drug dealing murderer, I find that ridiculous. This isn't to say that your arguing that ALL black people are like this, I'm simply stating that being born black doesn't automatically shuffle you to that role

its usually due to economic conditions in ghettos that black people commit more crimes

thats an interesting fact. Do you know by how much? @Deleted User

yeah, id like a citation for that, because thats a BIT of a big claim

that last stat u had a pass for, but no this one I'd say.

but this one I'd say no*

jesus I cant grammar

and also @Onlyinmizzou I understand that concern, and usually use the term an-synd as a way to tell people what exactly I stand for

before I read the article, id like to say that going to prison and actually doing a crime are to seperate things @Deleted User

people who commit crimes get away scott free, and people you do nothing go to prison all the time

but lemme read the article real quikc

the reason I said that thing about incarcaration is becasue you can't generalize taht a group commits more crime just because they get imprisoned more

sorry, i could've connected my point better

About 2.7 percent of the poorest white young people -- those whose household wealth was in the poorest 10th of the distribution in 1985, when they were between 20 and 28 years old -- ultimately went to prison. In the next 10th, 3.1 percent ultimately went to prison.

The households of young people in both of these groups had more debts than assets. In other words, their wealth was negative. All the same, their chances of being imprisoned were far less than those of black youth from much more affluent circumstances.

About 10 percent of affluent black youth in 1985 would eventually go to prison. Only the very wealthiest black youth -- those whose household wealth in 1985 exceeded $69,000 in 2012 dollars -- had a better chance of avoiding prison than the poorest white youth. Among black young people in this group, 2.4 percent were incarcerated.

it litterally says that the white young people had a slightly higher percentage of imprisonment

3.1 for white and 2.4 for black

am I misreadeing this?

oof, nice ad hominen there @Onlyinmizzou

😉

hm.

well then.

so, I started a socialist club at my school

thats a good conversation starter

I had my first official meeting last friday @Onlyinmizzou

it went pretty good, we had 25-30 all at the same time

we needed more chairs actually

we voted on what we would discuss next time @Onlyinmizzou, and they all decided to talk about cold war propaganda

so now im making a slide show for that

but brb for real

cuz now my ACTUAL food is ready

a nice eggplant parmesian 😉

@Onlyinmizzou yeah, the most radical people there is a demsoc or two and an ansynd I converted, the rest are Bernie supporters, liberals, and political moderates (and a couple conservatives)

So, they aren’t quite familiar enough or interested enough with the more radical side of socialism to be interested in it

I mean, radical in comparison to Bernie supporters

In the grand scheme of things I’m not tooooo radical I guess, because I’m still learning, I’m just radical on the local sense

Antifa full of porn stars? That’s a new one.

I’m sure that the average porn stars just cannot stand fascism and has strong tendencies to wreck police cars

One porn star. One. Suddenly, they’re FULL of porn stars

Meh, I’m critical of antifa but I don’t think we should shit on them

The preaching of tolerance is mostly center left honestly, the far left can take a good joke

“Not really”

Argument diffused

Oof

low-key is actually jesus

that'd be interesting

i saw a reddit post of this one ancap visitting greece, and met with a bunch of ancoms and told them about his ideology. apparantly the ancoms had never heard of anarcho capitalism, and upon hearing it legitemitely thought it was a return to feudalism, and they proceeded to beat up the ancap guy and throw him out

also yeah, damn ancap memes

yeah, pretty violent to say the least

yeah i heard about that

a damn shame

may they rest in peace

well, its a bit of a stereotype to say that anarchists are just a bunch of idiots wanting no rules. anarchism as a philosophy is rooted in idelistic beliefs of the self-governance of people and the reliance that human beings are inherently good\

but yeah, greece's economy is in shambles, i hear it's godawful over there

meh, i guess

but I should really start on my homework, I've delayed it enough

nice little talk y'all @Deleted User @Onlyinmizzou

idk, i think we kinda finished this specific discussion. We'll definetly move onto a different topic tho

big oof @Krieg#0336

also trasserism huh? Haven't seen much of that in a while.

strasseism*

It really is tho

feelsgoodman @Miracle Squeer

@Krieg#0336 I've always thought that Nazi Germany was a corporatist economy where the Government had a lot of influence over capitalist monopolies, nowhere near a social democracy ala Nordic countries. Also, on Mousillini being a National Syndicalist, from what I heard he abandond Syndicalism quite quickly. Correct me if I'm wrong, however.
And for the record, I would personally accept Strasserism as a form of socialism, albeit a bastard child of socialism and fascism.

Yeah, I’m in the IWW. I’m new though, just joined last month @stratagast

Also @Deleted User @kriegsmariner VA lemme do a bit of research here, I’ll try and find the people that said Germany was corporatist, and look at some of their sources. I’ll be back

Okay, from what I see and what I'm researching right now, I could definetly see @Krieg#0336's arguement for Germany being a "racist social democracy". For instance:
-Taxation was high
-Government spending was through the roof
-Private business was allowed to operate
-Healthcare was a thing
-Keynes himself LIKED the Germany economy
-Pensions were even given out, apparently

However, I'm also seeing elements of totalitarianism in there. For instance, State-Run Trade Unions designed to squeeze out productivity in factories. Also, military spending took was as high as 32% of the budget-- that doesn't sound like a Social Democracy at all! Additionally, the reason that public projects such as job programs and industry protectionism seems to be mainly for the sake of increasing productivy of home industries, not for the sake of basic human rights, as it is in Nordic countries.

So in other words, I'd place Hitlerist economics as an Authoritarian-Right version of Social Democracy. Not quite corporatism, not quite social democracy, a strange kind of militaritic totalitarian welfare state.

why yes, this is true. I know a fascist friend that claims that fascism calls for "Class Collaboration, not Class Warfare", so thats correct @Deleted User

I would also agree that fascist economics has more diversity than people give it credit for.

Then again @Deleted User , thats because political compass tests are actually cancerous ways of viewing politics

yeah, fascism has more roots in politics if anything. Probably why history classes don't cover it's economy very much and why fascist economics are so diverse.

@Krieg#0336 big oof

true

but then again, my latest history classes have been a lot better

for instance, my current history teacher is W O K E af

he legit knows what Mutualism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, Marx's Labor Theory of Value etc. are. I have NEVER seen a history teacher talk about any of that. He's pretty fricking lit.

hell, he's the sponsor for my socialist club

so overall a pretty cool dude

i mean true @Deleted User

but I still think he covers a lot in his US history classes

I sure learned a lot.

what predictions did you have?

well, as far as America is concerned it can cover a lot. obviously I won't learn shit about, say, South Africa or something.

But I learned about some pretty major Labor Unions within the mid-late 19th century up to the early 20th century.

well obviously, I just didn't know that the AFL or the Knight of Labor were a thing.

Specifically those labor unions.

but I see your point nonetheless, the American education system is in desperate need for reform.

If not a comeplete overhaul.

I'm just saying that it's not 100% terrible, because sometimes you get a good class (like my AP US history class)

Fair enough.

either way, hope you have a nice evevning.

very original @Biermann#5625

I agree

even as an anarchist, I still think that the death toll under stalin is ridiculously exagerated

its more like 25 mil if you count from both famines AND from ww2, and even that is pretty exaggerated.

but population growth and population in general would've boomed under this period due to Stalins high amount of industrialization